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JohnBlackhawk wrote:Well maybe you can tell us more about the accuracy of this image here. Because i'm certainly curious
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File:Gr ... eapons.png

Now i admit you know more about the history of how the figures have evolved in this game. I know im not going to win the argument. I see the psycannon, at the top middle of the image. Then i see the "psilencer" third weapon from the top on the right side of the image. Now that grey knight second from the far right it looks like the weapon he's carrying seems more the lines of the "psilencer" weapon than the psycannon. I mean did weapons change that much during each edition?
The Psilencer, if you look closely, is a multi-barrel weapon, while the Psycannon is a a single, large-bore barrel weapon. When these metal Grey Knights were designed, there was no Psilencer at all.

This is a better view of the fig above:
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Hmm ok i'll buy that argument, prehaps what we need here is a better picture to settle the argument. But as a newbie at miniature figures i have to ask isn't it possible someone put together a psilencer from a different box and glued it in place on the metal.
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Sure, it's possible. Without a better pic, I'd be foolish to assert the opposite.

I can say with absolute confidence what the base sculpt is, however.
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To my recollection, there was no "psilencer" in the first iteration of this army. Incinerators and psycannons are all they had, aside from the halberds and (for sgt's) swords.
...and the bolters, of course.

I can't open Lexicanum links at work, so I am only offering a GENERAL warning here; you have to be careful when viewing things on general gaming websites. Just because people post images and say, "Here's my ABC model with XYZ," that doesn't mean it's actually carrying XYZ. it just means that they're using it as that.

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s_o_r_r_o_w wrote:Sure, it's possible. Without a better pic, I'd be foolish to assert the opposite.

I can say with absolute confidence what the base sculpt is, however.
If it's metal, I'm almost positive those GK weapon specialists were single piece, so it'd be prohibitively difficult to weapon swap them.
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spiralingcadaver wrote: If it's metal, I'm almost positive those GK weapon specialists were single piece, so it'd be prohibitively difficult to weapon swap them.
It's certainly metal, but chopping off the fat barrel and replacing it with one of the plastic multi-barrels would be within the reach of even the basic convertor.

Of course this is all academic--the op appears satisfied!
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They are definitely psycannons.
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JohnBlackhawk wrote:Now i admit you know more about the history of how the figures have evolved in this game. I know im not going to win the argument. I see the psycannon, at the top middle of the image. Then i see the "psilencer" third weapon from the top on the right side of the image. Now that grey knight second from the far right it looks like the weapon he's carrying seems more the lines of the "psilencer" weapon than the psycannon. I mean did weapons change that much during each edition?
More than you know, JohnBlackHawk!

In First Edition WH40K, the Psycannon was a special weapon available only to Inquisitors of the Ordo Malleus. A "long, elegant handgun", it was absolutely deadly to psykers, possessees, and daemons. This Daemonhunter is armed with such a weapon:

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Rules for the Psycannon appeared in Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness, along with rules for Inquisitors and Grey Knights in powered armour. Later articles in White Dwarf magazine introduced the elite Grey Knight Terminator Squads. They were armed with Nemesis Force Weapons (either halberds or greatswords - the rules were the same), deadly force weapons that featured a built-in bolter loaded with three shots.

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In Second Edition, there were rules for Inquisitors presented as "Imperial Agents", and Grey Knights only came in terminator armour. The Psycannon became a wargear card available to Inquisitors, and it worked more like a storm bolter. Both units were intended purely as ally contingents to Imperial armies such as Space Marines, the Imperial Guard, or the Adepta Sororitas.

In Third Edition, GW reintroduced the Grey Knights as a playable army. They were part of the Daemonhunters faction that also included Inquisitors. All the models were still metal, and every squadboy in the Grey Knights army earned the right to carry a Nemesis Force Weapon. The Psycannon was re-invented as a derivative of the heavy bolter, firing large-bore explosive shells.

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The other special weapon available was the Incinerator, a heavy-duty flamer that sprayed specially-blessed promethium fuel.

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The Psilencer is a later invention introduced in Fifth Edition Grey Knights Codex. Because some codices spanned multiple editions (i.e., my poor Blood Angels are still two editions behind!), the rules for choosing and arming an army don't change (much), but playing them in the game did.
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Nice bit o' history!

Didn't realize that PAGK's were something that existed before, thought it began with the termies. Kinda' want a squad of those ancient terminators now, though...
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spiralingcadaver wrote:Didn't realize that PAGK's were something that existed before, thought it began with the termies.
That's because the Grey Knight Terminators were the first Grey Knights to be sculpted and released as such. It's pretty obvious from the line drawings accompanying the original army list's unit entries and Paul Bonner's far more robust Grey Knight illustrations in Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness that you were supposed to use the old RTB-01 beekees and First Edition metal sculpts as Grey Knights - you just had to paint them the right colour (hint: it was grey!).
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Cool, thanks again for the info. I came in to 40k at the beginning of 3rd, with only the 2nd edition's core books as earlier reference.
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The metal grey knights did not have a psilencer. They were not created until the range was redone in plastic. So yes, they really did change.

Also that plague marine with a plasma pistol didn't have a left arm, back in 2nd edition most squad leader models had one arm that was meant to be plastic.
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