Too much $$$ yet people keep buying. What's this?!

[eman1_2]

(with the exception of the newest fantasy, from what I heard).

Personal opinion. The new rules are fine.

New rules keep the game current, and show there is support for a game. Very few games can survive if the creators don't put any effort into maintaining them. With the finite amount of armies Warhammer has, new rules, and then new books to support those rules, is how the company survives to keep bring us games. If GW stopped making rules, filled out the models, what next? People would get bored and leave them to go to a company with support (whether just percieved or actually).

Reaper has a rule set for Warlord. How has that taken off anywhere? It was popular for a while, but no new additions to the game in years means nothing new to grab the attention of current players. Game has dwindled to almost no followers, now, other than the die hard few who would play it whether or not it had new rules.

[optimusprime14]

I don't disagree with what anyone has said in thei thread so far, in fact I agree with most of it.

The phrase "Too expensive" bothers me, and it's the "Too" part. GW is expensive, it can be priced more than what the perceived value is, but that's exactly it, it's perceived value. The "Too" in too expensive implies that it is more expensive than you can afford. Yet if you purchase it, it is no longer "Too" expensive, it is just expensive, and maybe over valued.

Either way it's just semantics. Isn't that what most internet fights are over anyways?

[starslayer]

Everyone has their own opinion, none are really wrong.
Maybe you dont think GW is "too expensive", but my opinion is it is overpriced and not a good value for the money in most cases.
You "vote" with your dollars. Mine will go elsewhere. Go to the GW website and look at the new Lizardmen. I laughed my head off. $1,600 for an army. I dont think it even has paint or a rulebook.

[s_o_r_r_o_w]

New rules keep the game current, and show there is support for a game. Very few games can survive if the creators don't put any effort into maintaining them. With the finite amount of armies Warhammer has, new rules, and then new books to support those rules, is how the company survives to keep bring us games. If GW stopped making rules, filled out the models, what next? People would get bored and leave them to go to a company with support (whether just percieved or actually).

You know what else shows support for a game? Support!

Rather than sending the entire community back to the beginning every 4 years as a "guaranteed sales technique", GW could develop new settings, campaign books (maybe with special, limited model releases), expansions, add-ons, alternatives--you know, like they used to do.

New races, new models can enter the game through the White Dwarf or annuals, and then, every so often, an actual edition can be released.

Maybe the current box set is getting tired. No problem! New starter complete with the same rules that already work just fine! Maybe with a cool little in the box campaign so that the more jaded amongst us still pick it up--not because we have to, but because we want to.

Look, I know that there are people on both sides of this issue, and that the majority of breath spent on this topic is so much wasted hot air, but to you GW apologists--you have to recognize GW's ills. The Battlefleet Gothic rulebook now costs almost as much as the entire box set (complete with 8 cruisers and accessories) used to cost. It's BS, and if you choose to eat it, that's fine. But everyone knows what it tastes like.

[Adunaphel]

Rather than sending the entire community back to the beginning every 4 years as a "guaranteed sales technique", GW could develop new settings, campaign books (maybe with special, limited model releases), expansions, add-ons, alternatives--you know, like they used to do.

New races, new models can enter the game through the White Dwarf or annuals, and then, every so often, an actual edition can be released.

This, I couldn't agree with more. In fact, I can't believe all the effort that GW goes through with these tiny updates on their game, when they could be using all the resources at their disposal to blow people
away with NEW and INTERESTING material!

There is SO much that they have not delved into...

How about a starter box with the rules, but with Heresy era models?
How about NEW armies? Variant armies anyone?
How about whole new settings?
Variant games within their universes? (Yeah, I know that they still have "specialist games", but that is a joke. When we will EVER see support for those games?)

The sky is the limit and yet GW is stuck in a board room. Profits are great, and the only reason they have any at all any more is because their product is so dang expensive.

What GW has become is almost a CRIME against gamers. A game company without the soul of a gamer... Pretty sad.

And. Yes. I still occasionally look for some of their stuff here or on eBay, because their setting is so unbelievably rich with material (even if some is derivative).

More importantly, I also run a Dark Heresy campaign, and I believe that in roleplaying in the 40K universe, I can finally let my imagination roam in the fertile fields that they have left fallow.

Karl

[gwaddict]

Sorrow, your GW experience was the same for me except I got in right when 3rd edition came out and I hate them for the same reason, I used to love them . I remember when they had the vehicle design creator in white dwarf, I miss that company that encouraged people to create cool vehicles. How awesome was the deodorant hover craft . I loved their specialist games, Inquisitor in particular as it was creative and open ended. BFG was and is awesome. The argument that the company would stagnate if they didn't continually re-release I don't buy into. Personally I would throw tons of cash at a rehashed epic. Specialist games expanded the universe and kept my wallet open after my "main" armies were completed. With the limited number of games I get to play each year continually buying codex's, rulebooks and the new shiny must haves to play has started to wear me thin, but then again my user name is gwaddict so I doubt I will ever stop

The idea of battlefront giving me a small version of the new FOW rulebook because I had purchased a full size one during the last edition was so shocking that I thought I was being pranked, blew my mind. Think if GW did that! heck It doesn't even have to be free but I will happily trade in my last few space marine codex's for half off the new one

[orctez]

This is Exhibit A in why I consider GW too expensive now. $50 for an army codex is just excessive.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catal ... GameStyle=

And if you wanna play an Iyanden army:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catal ... GameStyle=

And a primay Eldar troop choice: this is ludicrous!

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catal ... GameStyle=

I know, it's like beating a dead horse....the pricing is outrageous. But, I know that I won't pay retail for GW products and haven't for years. If it's not on eBay or here, i dont buy it

But GW shouldnt make it harder for a new player to get into the hobby. The above examples are quite a hurdle for a new player to overcome. I'll say it again, vote with your wallet!

Good gaming!

[Doctari]

I can only speak for myself but I buy the miniatures because I can afford to buy the miniatures and I play the game because as of right now it is the best rules set out there (in my opinion of course). Something is only too expensive if you can't afford it. I don't drink, I don't do drugs or smoke, I've been with my SO for 18 years and don't sleep around, I'm not into cars, guns or jewelry but I do love me some little plastic/resin/metal soldiers fighting huge battles.

So if it costs a couple of thousand dollars a year to get the models I want it's actually cheaper then most other hobbies/addictions I could have.

As far as the "back in the day" stuff.. pure nostalgia. There were people complaining about the price when you could get the regiment box for 20 bucks. And gamers, by their very nature, tend to be a little snotty and exclusionary.

[reegsk]

I think you hit the nail on the head, Doctari. I don't have any other hobbies (except for the occasional sixty bucks on video games), and I'm not into cars/guns/traveling/carpentry/murder, so this is what I spend my money on. It's definitely more expensive than it was, but the kits are far better than they used to be. I don't think that really justifies the price difference, but again, it's my one expense and I can afford it (sometimes, and mostly thanks to Btown), so the price doesn't bother me as much.

[kturock]

But I do have other hobbies. And play more than just minis games.

As for 'back in the day' yes everythign was cheaper, but GW was constantly higher and used every excuse they could.
Their quality was crap for metal, just like fince cast is now. The only thing they've made halfway decent is plastic.
Compare GW plastic model prices with other model companies, say Tamyia and you'll see GW is over priced.
Even if the dollar amount for te 2 models is the same, the non-GW model has better detail.
Model collectors wouldn't stand for the crap that GW is selling.

The over-priced how to paint and how build terrain and how to convert models books are also overprised and usually only basic level work.

Check true modeling magazines, scale scale modeller and any of the r/c magazines.
1st, they are true magazines with independant reviews and various companies products; as opposed to the WD catalog of the month.
2nd the detail work on the models as well as the more realistic paint jobs are a lot better than GW.ALso remember, the R/C models actually work, so the paint has to look good and last under use.

[optimusprime14]

I don't know why you guys keep lumping muder into here. Muder is cheap (hobo's are everywhere).

It's also not a hobby, it's a way of life.

@Kturock. I agree with you on the finecast, and I think GW may have as well. Look at the Eldar, SM and recent Dark Elves release. Notice anything missing? Yep no finecast, however they do have plactic single minis.....

[pretre]

Finecast was (supposedly) always a bridge between metal and full plastic.

[kturock]

Glad to hear that, though I never heard that before when it came out. I heard it was the 'new & improved'. Especially since at least 2 other UK based companies make their models only out of resin.
Also since resin is harder to counterfeit than metal