40k Stormlord question

[aurak_merc]

I have a 40k question for those that might be able to help:

Concerning Apocalypse games with a Stormlord - It says that it can hold 40 troops. Does that mean it can hold that many "points"
worth of models? What I mean by that is: Cadian=1 point, Terminator=2 points, Dreadnought=10 points
So could I haul 4 Dreads in it? or 20 Terminators, or even a mix as long as the "points" did not exceed 40?

Hopefully my numbers are correct, as I do not have the data sheet handy. Thanks for any assistance.

[reegsk]

I don’t have my Apoc book either, but I believe transports may only carry Infantry, unless otherwise specified. So the Stormlord could hold 20 terminators or 40 space marines or a mix of both, but not dreads, jump infantry or bikes unless it states that it can.

[aurak_merc]

Thanks for the reply.

That make sense. I am not sure where I got the Dread=10 spots thing...drop pod maybe? I was also not sure if Dreads counted as vehicles, but other than drop pods I don't think I have heard of them riding in anything.

Thanks again.

[oaflord]

Says transport capacity of 40. marine = 1, termie = 2, dred = 10 etc...

Great Knarlocs count as infantry... same size as a Dread... I see it now... sounds like the first line of joke...

4 Knarlocs pop out of a Stormlord... hee hee hee...

oAFLORD

[reegsk]

That and it's also on page 198 of the Apoc rulebook. Monstrous creatures and walkers count as 10 passengers.

Looking at it, though, it's unclear. All of the Superheavy transports do not specify that they can carry Infantry, but not Bikers or Jump Infantry, for example. It does say that it will specify whether or not it can carry other vehicles, but walkers are included on the passengers chart. It seems as though a Stormlord could carry anything on that list.

Anyone else with a little more Apoc experience/knowhow want to clarify this?

Ninja'd -- Oh, oAFLORD. That would be hilarious, though. And they do give examples of unit/transport combos, like Rough Riders in a Thunderhawk or Carnies coming out of a Skullhamma.

[Norseman]

I would venture to say that if the model looks like it could fit in the vehicle it would be okay to be transported in it.

The drop pods look like they could handle carrying a dred so I would say okay, however a rhino can carry 10 marines but I have NEVER heard of a dred being carried in a rhino.

So with the Stormlord... I would proabably say no because the hatch does not look large enough for a dred to fit.

[reegsk]

You can’t always apply scale and looks, though. Sure, FW specifically designed the Gorgon to ACTUALLY fit 50 Imperial Guardsmen with their bases removed (I think they even sell DKoK models you can buy that are designed to fit inside). But ten space marines couldn’t fit in a rhino.

The rules in the Apoc books for transport capacity state those as being the rules for super-heavy transports. The rhino’s not a super-heavy transport, and thus can only carry infantry. But I don’t see in any of the super-heavy transport descriptions where it says “May transport bikes/jump infantry/walkers/monstrous creatures.” So either none of them can carry those models, which means they made up rules that no unit can take advantage of, or they all can. I think it would have to be the latter.

[MagickalMemories]

What edition was the book in question written during?
Remember that different models used to have a different "value" in determining the outcome of combat (who was outnumbered, etc). I don't recall a Termie's value, but Dreads were worth "10" in those scenarios.


Eric

[reegsk]

It was written during 4th edition, but this is specifically in terms of transport capacity, not unit strength.

[MagickalMemories]

Pardon my question. I don't have the book:
When you say, "this is specifically in terms of transport capacity," are you referring to the vehicle or the "1, 2, 10" rule?

Eric

[aurak_merc]

After checking the Apocalypse book and the Stormlord data sheet, I think that you can in fact haul Dreadnoughts (or sentinels, Carnifex, etc). I come to this by page 92, bottom right corner.

In short, it says that a transport capacity is given as the number (in this case 40) and normal infantry count as 1. Larger models take more space (terminators=2, Dreadnoughts count as 10 as shown in the chart on page 198).

The data sheet on the Stormlord says nothing at all about what it can haul, only that it has a transport capacity of 40, and up to 20 models may fire from the open-top. That part is a bit murky to me though. If you were to haul anything other than standard infantry (let's say Dreadnoughts), could all 4 fire out since that is less than 20 models? Or could only half of the 40-capacity fire out, which would be two? I am leaning towards all 4, but when I finally get to run these things I don't want to irritate my opponents, as I would be loading them with 4 TL Lascannon/Missle launcher Dreads each.

I suppose Apocalypse is really just a wacky fun ruleset, so I should probably make sure that my opponents would be ok with it if I could infact load several Stormlords up like that. Plus, a lot of points would be sitting in one juicy spot, so a titan or somesuch could just vaporize it right off, which would certainly make a sad day. I would still do it, and hope for first turn so my other superheavies can neutralize bigger threats.

Thanks a lot for all of the input so far. If anyone has any other ideas or rule citations that I should know about, please post.

[reegsk]

Sorry MM, I meant that a dread counts as ten models for the purposes of transport capacity. None of the super-heavy vehicles with a transport capacity specify what types of units they can haul, so I have to assume that, since they give a chart for super-heavy transport capacity with non-infantry models, any super-heavy can transport anything on that list. Then you have craziness like the Manta that can carry actual tanks.

To AM, honestly, if you were playing me, I'd let you not only transport them, but fire those bad boys out too. The rule says twenty models, and that's only four. It's friggin' Apocalypse, man! It's supposed to be crazy! Now, I also wouldn't hesitate to wet my pants laughing if that thing went supernova and took all four dreads with it. With all of the craziness flying around in apoc, I don't worry about the fine details of the rules. Since I'll never play in any sort of competitive apoc situation, when it comes to those game I tend to be as lenient as possible to try and pack in as much fun as possible.

[mrrshann618]

While it is only 4 models, the data sheet itself states that a dread counts as 10. So two dreads count at 20 models. Yeah it is Apoc, and it is over the top, but there is a point when things just start to get silly.

[s_o_r_r_o_w]

While it is only 4 models, the data sheet itself states that a dread counts as 10. So two dreads count at 20 models. Yeah it is Apoc, and it is over the top, but there is a point when things just start to get silly.

Surely that point is someplace well past the moment when 4 Sentinels pop up out of the back of a Stormlord and lay waste?

[JohnHwangBT]

Supposing you put a Dread in a Stormlord, how does it get out given that the model lacks any sort of passenger ramp?