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MagickalMemories wrote:With that in mind would you, as TO (EZ) allow him to use it as flying if he modeled something on the base, like a bird or flying thing? What if there was some sort of flight based familiar on the model's shoulder?
Absolutely not.
Do models with wing motifs on their shoulders fly? Custodes, BA, DA all say no.
Do models with birds on their shoulders fly? Njal and the Skaw also say no.
Adding at a little decorative element the size of a ball bearing on the base definitely doesn't obviously and immediately convey "flying" like wings / jump pack!
Or even a model floated up by rocket boots...
The point is, you need to see the flying element at first glance, not hunt for it in good lighting.
MagickalMemories wrote:With that in mind would you, as TO (EZ) allow him to use it as flying if he modeled something on the base, like a bird or flying thing? What if there was some sort of flight based familiar on the model's shoulder?
Absolutely not.
Do models with wing motifs on their shoulders fly? Custodes, BA, DA all say no.
Do models with birds on their shoulders fly? Njal and the Skaw also say no.
Adding at a little decorative element the size of a ball bearing on the base definitely doesn't obviously and immediately convey "flying" like wings / jump pack!
Or even a model floated up by rocket boots...
The point is, you need to see the flying element at first glance, not hunt for it in good lighting.
That's why I asked the TO (EZ).
Considering that the Daemon's codex specifically describes one sort of Daemonic Flight as magical (or, if you will, Magickal ), I wanted to know if EZ would work with him a little bit, with that in mind.
JohnHwangBT wrote:
EZ mac wrote: Read the CSM FAQ. Says "a model with wings cannot have a jump pack but must be modeled with wings" or something.
You got an actual quote and reference for that?
I don't have it with me, but I actually think it's in the codex.
I remember reading it in a GW document, too.
I'll have to look for it later, if nobody beats me to it.
Eric
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I think what this situation needs is some imagination.
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EZ mac wrote: Read the CSM FAQ. Says "a model with wings cannot have a jump pack but must be modeled with wings" or something.
You got an actual quote and reference for that?
here ya go!
q: does taking 'wings' classify a model as 'jump infantry'
A: No, it simply allows the model to move like jump infantry. Note that the model must actually be converted to have a pair of wings rather then a jump pack.
that's from the CSM FAQ, note that it says nothing about any specific model just the category 'wings'
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Lowest rating ships first even from payments 40k is NOT chess! It's yatzee... Roll more dice and roll higher and you win!
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Oh and I honostly wouldn't be thrilled to see a small bird from Like the WE sets on a base to constitute a flying fat man. If he is planning on have him be psycicly (sp?) flying I (which is what he told me he planned on doing when he asked me... Twice) then I want some effort to make it apparent to the other player what it has. Balrog, dragon, greater daemon of khorn/zentch wings, and metal gargoyle wings (ala dakkar trade) are at our store which if he asks he could probly get real quick.
Jump pack things, feet, farts, heck a deff coppta propeller are all cool ad long as if I or anyone look at it for like 2seconds and go "hey that had flying!"
Lowest rating ships first even from payments 40k is NOT chess! It's yatzee... Roll more dice and roll higher and you win!
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You do not have to model wings. Heck, You are allowed by Games Workshop to use the great bounding leaps or mental levitation concepts to represent it. That could be "modeled" using an eagle decal on his arm like a tattoo to represent it if you wanted. However, you have to go by how the person who is running your particular local tourney interprets it. If you do not like their interpretation, go to another venue where the person running it interprets it differently.
If going somewhere else is not an option some ideas might include glueing a book to his hip to represent using magical powers to fly among other things. Just make sure to scrutinize all of the models of your opponants to make sure that they are following the same strict ruling on wysiwyg that you are.
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mrrshann618 wrote:So just stick one of those flight stands up his backside and call him Chaos Baron Harkonnen
Now time to see who is old enough
That's, "Baron Vladimir Harkonnen!"
If he is a Nurgle Daemon Prince, will he still die to the Gom Jabbar?
As for WYSIWYG, dude it all boils down to the Tourney Organizer. All of the word of wisdom given in your quest on these boards means not a darned thing if the TO says otherwise. And if you make such a stink about it, would you really want to play at that venue afterwards? There are always some leniencies given at any particular tournament, the TO decides. If you pitch such a fit, I wouldn't count an anything else getting by. Pick your battles, and this one is a poor one at best.
Lower rating? I ask that you ship first. Also, if I offer a stupidly good deal and you try to negotiate even lower...don't call it bad communication that you didn't get a reply. I deleted the message.
He speaks the truth. As with so many vanues in today's society, the one in charge is always "right", even if they are wrong because they are the ones with the power. Go with the flow man, go with the flow.
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mrrshann618 wrote:So just stick one of those flight stands up his backside and call him Chaos Baron Harkonnen
Now time to see who is old enough
That's, "Baron Vladimir Harkonnen!"
If he is a Nurgle Daemon Prince, will he still die to the Gom Jabbar?
As for WYSIWYG, dude it all boils down to the Tourney Organizer. All of the word of wisdom given in your quest on these boards means not a darned thing if the TO says otherwise. And if you make such a stink about it, would you really want to play at that venue afterwards? There are always some leniencies given at any particular tournament, the TO decides. If you pitch such a fit, I wouldn't count an anything else getting by. Pick your battles, and this one is a poor one at best.
FYI as this is litterally the only tournament that has any rules on conversions saying that I'm making a stink is kinda harsh dude, I mean this is litterally the only time I've called anyone on conversions and said 'no' to something, and this is only for ard boyz not a reg turny.
Heck one guard guy plays with stormship trooper minis and he can't play in with them also. Same thing because of ardboyz his list is not legal. It's not personal.
Oh and I'm playing him now with my marine army so it's not like we hate each other it's just this one rule that he didn't like my "ruling" as it is. And the jump pack feet look fine FYI.
Lowest rating ships first even from payments 40k is NOT chess! It's yatzee... Roll more dice and roll higher and you win!
Leave feedback. It helps build the BT community. It's the polite thing to do. If I owe you a ref - please PM with details so I can fix that oversight.
EZ, eassssssy. I'm just saying that pitching a fit and trying to get people to jump on your bandwagon doesn't always work out for the best. It wasn't at you, it was for the OP. And not meant even in a derogatory way to him, just saying...those are the rules as I see them. If you don't like it, well...I'm sorry. Assuming there isn't a lack of players at your store, someone will fill the spot and probably won't mind the WYSIWYG rules. The tournaments (outside of a store) that I ran were Indy GTs, you didn't even need to to play with GW models. However things did have to be represented.
I'm a fan of total WYSIWYG. If I was STILL running tournaments, I would say no as well, rules no rulings whatever. The purpose of WYSIWYG is to be able to look at the table and determine what your opponent has. There are exceptions like grenades and such (well some kinds of grenades), but to me if you are fielding wargear (or gifts), then it should be represented in some way. Even if the aforementioned topic of "flight". Wings are the easy way, but whatever is done it has to make your opponent ask the question, "Why is that Daemon Prince (or whatever) based on a huge orange Cheeto? Oh, because...". Something obvious, not something obscure because the book of Nurgle says Daemons gifted with flight have the middle fingernail painted blood red.
Otherwise, why buy the GW models. Just get blocks of wood and mount them on bases. So something a little less descriptive (that could have a major effects on your opponents strategy) is better than a block of wood? Not much.
To each their own.
Lower rating? I ask that you ship first. Also, if I offer a stupidly good deal and you try to negotiate even lower...don't call it bad communication that you didn't get a reply. I deleted the message.
q: does taking 'wings' classify a model as 'jump infantry'
A: No, it simply allows the model to move like jump infantry. Note that the model must actually be converted to have a pair of wings rather then a jump pack.
that's from the CSM FAQ, note that it says nothing about any specific model just the category 'wings'
Wow, that's just stupid. I can't believe GW actually said JPs can't be used to represent for Wings.
All the better that I don't have to deal with GW "official" nonsense.
Well, if it comes down to that, just go to the dollar store and buy a $1.00 bag of toy bugs and cut a pair of wings off of one of the flies or something. paint them and greenstuff it to the back. They will at least be primed and attached to the back. After the tourney, you can just pull the things off. The faq doesn't say how fancy or big or permanent they have to be.
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), I wanted to know if EZ would work with him a little bit, with that in mind.
