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[Xentheous]

I was looking to get some feedback on my list for a 1250pt tournament coming up.
I play eldar and can field most things but i have a few fav. units that i prefer taking.

Farseer - Fortune, R.of Wit

10 Wraithguard - Spiritseer - Conceal (Farseer travels with this squad) (this unit is my fav unit and i play quite well with them so they stay no matter what lol)
8 Pathfinders
5 Rangers

3 War Walkers - 6 Scatter Lasers
2 War Walkers - 2 B.Lances 2 EML
1 Wraithlord - B.Lance

1248 Total

I was thinking of removing the rangers and Wraithlord and putting in 7 Dire Avengers w/Exarch(dual catapults) Mounted in Wave Serpent (EML). Plan was to set the war walkers out in the open before the first turn hopefully trick my opponent into lining something up in the open like a russ to take them out easy then scout move them behind cover.Fortune the Wraithguard so they have a re roll on their saves. and use the pathfinders to pin enemy troops.

Any thoughts?

[MagickalMemories]

Looks to me like you've got a lot of hopes resting on those Wraithguard.
Your list lacks mobility and flexibility. In a game with objectives (especially more than 2), you've potentially got a lot of work ahead of you. My guess is that you'll be playing for the tie and hoping for a win on those games.

Not much I can offer by way of list building, honestly, because you're so set on those Wraithguard. That one unit is nearly a third of your army at 396 points.

Eric

[Xentheous]

Tonights the first big test its a practice game against Guard, so i guess ill see what happens perhaps if it doesnt go so well ill have to switch it up and put together another dire avengers squad

[EZ mac]

Them wraith guard need to go, they are too big of a points sink in 1250.

At this low of points I would (if u own them) take something like...

2x farseer:55+ 20 (guide)+ 15 (RoW on 1) +3(spear)= 93pts/78 so 171

2x guardians- 10x 8=80 + 30(brigt lance)= 120x 2(units)=240
2x guardian jetbikeunits -22x 3=66+ 10(shuriken cannon)+ 45(warlock)+ 10(destructor)+ 3(spear)=134ea so 268
2x dire avenger squads (no upgrades)=60ea so 120

2x falcons-115+ 5 (shrukin cannon)+ 10(shruken cannon)+35 (halo feilds)=165ea so 330
3x warwalkers-30ea +10(2x shruken cannon)=40ea so 80

total- 1249
lots if st 6shots, super mobile.
the dire avengers and farseer go in falcons, guardians sit on objectives on it side (in cover!!!)

anyway i believe this list is a bit better then the wraith list IMHO.

Or if u really want to break it off use a seer council on bikes... Loads of points but are just as unkillable at higher point levels but at the lower values has waaaay less chance of dieing because there isn't as much to kill them.

Anyway hope this helps.... Drop the wraith guard.

[MagickalMemories]

While i'd have waited until after he played them and realized the wraith guard needed to go, there's a lot in this new list that i'd have done, myself.

I might've looked into the possibility of using pathfinders, though, personally.


Eric

[EZ mac]

Its horrible, I'm normally morally opposed to taking guardians in 40k but I guess at under 1500 they're ok just because they get u 2 bright lances for so cheap that will be there for a while.

I honostly never take rangers/pathfinders, especially sence there will not be a huge amount of toughness 5+ at 1250..

And who runs a 1250tournament? 40k is ment to be played at 2000+! I mean the ard boyz stuff is at 2500. Is there some special rules for this tournament? Like a 4x 4table or only needing 1troop or something? I'm not sure how well the game plays at this low of points...

[MagickalMemories]

Actually, I see a LOT of 1000 point tourneys. I agree, though, that 1250 is small.
Personally, I like a 1500 point tourney, but a 2000 to 2500 point friendly game.

I agree, re: guardians & Bright Lances... but you'd better leave my Pathfinders alone! LOL

Eric

[EZ mac]

Pathfinders should only be a rpg series

The turnies I run are at the lowest 1850, more often 2k and once in a while (every 3rd or 4th) is a 2250 event. The way the new codex's are beeing written the competitive point level has risen from 1850 to 2k. I mean EVERYthing now days that are 'cool' are like 200-250+ points easy

And it has nothing to do with me trying to sell more stuff... No nothing at all. And I don't have painting as a bigger chunk of the overal score then I should because I want to sell paint or anything either....

OT: I am interested in knowing how well his list did against guard. I mean the foot sloging wraiths vrs russes, valks, auto cannon spam, sentinal auto cannon spam ect ect...

[Xentheous]

So heres how it went down
Opponent included:

1 platoon 3 squads + Command (grenade/missle combos)
1 Storm troopers squad (Flamer/plasma/melta) in valkrie
1 Penal Legion Squad in Chimera
1 Pask Executioner
1 Command Squad with Fleet guy
1 ratling squad

I went with
Farseer guide r.of wit spear
10 Wraithguard- Spiritseer - conceal
7 Dire Avengers - Exarch - Dual Catapult, bladestorm
7 Pathfinders
2 Warwalkers s.lasers
1 warwalker s.lasers
2 warwalkers EML/BL

Mission out of b.M. Book (IG one trenched in or something)
4 Objectives 3 close to one side (all 3 12" from one another) the last one off towards other deployment

I won Deployment and chose the side with the three objectives and more open lines of fire, IG used razorwire to protect its platoon
Wraithguard unit and Pathfinders deployed
Platoon for IG deployed

First Turn to IG
- I lost 2 Wraithguard

First Turn Eldar
- Sniped 3 models out of the ig squad that moved out of cover towards my deployment zone
- Wraithguard moved towards one of the three objectives closest to IG zone

Second Turn IG
- Valkrie, Pask, and ratlings showed up.
- I lost 4 Wraithguard from heavy fire

Second Turn Eldar
- Warwalker Squadron (2 units S.Lasers)
- Warwalker squadron (1 unit S.Lasers)
both outflanked on the left side into IG deployment zone
Farseer showed and joined with the pathfinders
- Unloaded entire payload into Valkrie and made it not able to shoot
- wraithguard unit moved into the cover of rocks around the objective and took out several of the IG moving towards the objective

Third Turn IG
Rest of IG showed up penal legion closed in on the 2 warwalkers outflanking
IG at risk of losing units of guardians to warwalkers unloaded upon the 2 warwalker units
Blew up one, immobilized the other two (luckily after the first one was blown) and stunned them both
Wratihguard saved a lot of shots in cover

Third Eldar turn
Warwalker squad with B.Lances showed and Waveserpent with Dire Avengers
Warwalkers outflanked on right side shot at back armor of pask and did nothing (cover saves saved 2 pens)
Waveserpent rolled on into the middle of my deployment zone shot at the penal legion chimera doing nothing
Pathfinders (Fortuned) pinned a IG squad
Wraithguard took the IG squad closest down to 2 guys who passed leadership
Objectives 2 Eldar IG 0

Fourth Turn IG
Stormtroopers disembarked infront of 2 anti tank warwalkers pask turned and unloaded payload at the warwalkers destroying both
remaining two warwalkers on other side of the field were destroyed
Penal legion with assault 2 ability shot at the pathfinders with their chimera for a total of 0 casualties 2+ reroll ftw then they assulted the pathfinders/farseer
Drawn combat

Fourth Eldar Turn
Wraithguard spread out in the middle of the field, waveserpent moved behind the wraithguard for a cover save and disembarked the dire avengers into cover
Shooting saw nothing happen
Assault ended in Eldar win and wiped out the penal legion massacre consolidation back into cover
Objectives 2 Eldar IG 0

Fifth Turn IG
Chimera moved back towards IG line (should have probably moved towards the objective to contest) almost everything in IG army UNLOADED at the Wraithguard protecting the serpent/dire avengers 2 Casualties to wraithguard, Pask hit the dire avengers for 4 wounds, chimera blew the weapon off the waveserpent
Storm troopers moved towards the objectives in the middle

Fifth Turn Eldar
Dire avengers moved further into cover holding the middle objective and shot at the Storm troopers
Wraithguard moved up and killed 1 of thelast 2 guardsman out of the closest IG unit(passed leadership test)
Waveserpent Rammed the valkrie and blew up both valkrie and itself (full 24" move rawr)
Eldar 2 IG 0
Game Continues

Sixth Turn IG
Forgot to give orders, Ig shot at the wraithguard and did 0 wounds, 3 units moved towards the center objectives. Dire Avengers take 1 wound down to 5 avengers.

Sixth Turn Eldar
Wraithguard shoot one unit and assult the lone guardsman and the other unit doing 2 wounds ig pass leadership
Dire Avengers Bladestorm Storm Troopers take out 4
Snipers take out 4 from command squad
Game Ends
IG 1 Objective Eldar 2

Wraithguard did their job being fearless makes them a tough unit to crack with cover saves around if farseer gets to start at the same time it will make them much harder to kill with re rolls.
War Walkers Did a excellent job with the outflanking
Pathfinders were unbelievably useful pinning/being ridiculously resistant with cover

All in all im gonna need another couple games to really tell the usefulness of those wraithguard in this game they were extremely useful

[MagickalMemories]

Honestly, you got a lucky draw on his army.
Even at only 1250 points, IG can unleash a sickening amount of heavy weaponry. Looks like he was actually light on it.

Also, I think you'd have found it a different game if you'd lost the roll to go first.

Looks like you used that you had pretty well, though.


Eric

[Xentheous]

So were just finishing up the combat patrol league we have so im hoping in a week to get another tournament practice game in. Hoping to try this list out and see how it will work

Farseer - Fortune, R. of Witnessing (May put him with the fire dragons re roll their saves would be helpful; never tried but can i fortune the fire dragons inside the waveserpent if im inside the serpent too?)

10 Dire Avengers - Exarch - Dual Catapults Bladestorm
=> mounted in Waveserpent EML
7 Dire Avengers - Exarch - Defend, Shimmer, pwr weapon
8 Pathfinders
3 Man Guardian Jetbike Squad + Warlock - Destructor

8 Fire Dragons - Exarch - D.B.Flamer
=> Mounted in Waveserpent Star Cannon

War Walker 2 Sc.Laser (individual to prevent Immobilize deaths and outflank better)
War Walker 2 Sc.Laser
War Walker 2 Sc.Laser

Total 1251

[EZ mac]

listen brotha here is some tips

-at this low of a point value you will not see nearly as many av14 tanks as above so the fire dragons will end up being a waste. they will end up flying up and getting shot up after they murder a arm 11 rhino or something.
-take more shruken cannons st 6 for that cheap is awesome.
-what is the [point of the 7 man dire avenger unit? why not duplicate the first (better built unit")
-i much prefer guid as u can use it everyturn and raise the effectness of whatever u take.
-why no fire prism or falcon? either of these is cheaper and will do more damage then the pathfinders

i honostly do not think the list will do the best as the stuff u have is kinda scatterd as it wants to be a mobile shooter but at the same time be a stationary shooter. you really do not have a lot of dakka here and with no guid you cant rely on anything hitting all the time.

either go fast or go stationary not both and it will work a bit better imho

[Xentheous]

I dont use Shuriken Cannons as i just dont like the weapon its a preference that i use scatter lasers (they have a better track record with me).
I was thinking of the dragons taking out units of marines as well as possibly vehicles since i felt blood angels would probably be rampant at this tourney.

I dont have another exarch capable of duplicating the first dire avenger unit, the other option i intended to try was Farseer with the 7 man Dire avenger squad in the wave serpent. I am considering switching the dragons for a Prism, move the wave serpent to the other dire avenger unit, join 1 warwalker in with the other squad but that wont be until i try the dragons

[Xentheous]

Trying to balance the lists out next game is

Farseer - R of Wit, Doom

10 Dire Avengers Exarch Bladestorm Dual Catapult
=> Waveserpent - EML
10 Dire Avengers Exarch Bladestorm Shimmer Pwr weapon
=> Wave Serpent - Star cannons
5 Rangers

3 Vypers - 3 Shuriken Cannons 1 with shuriken cannon upgrade
1 Vyper - Bright Lance with Shuriken Cannon upgrade
5 Warp Spiders - Exarch Surprise assult, dual spinners, pwr blades

Fire Prism

Only the rangers are a stay at home shooting unit, everything else is mobile making it a mobile firebase. Fortune i figured wasnt going to be as useful as doom. This army is going to be tested against orks in my next pretourny battle.

[Brian Adair]

I applaud you for trying out a bunch of different units to get a feel for the eldar list. I would make the following suggestions:

I can't say I am a big fan of vypers- they cost a pile of points and have a BS of 3. If you are going to use vypers I would load them up with lots of shots and have a farseer in a waveserpent close by to "guide" them. Therefore I would do something like this-

3 vypers all with scatterlasers. If you like the dual shuriken cannon then by all means go that route (even more guns) but I don't like getting within 24 inches of the enemy.

Take the BL off the single vyper and instead put it on the waveserpent. The waveserpent is more durable and is twin linked.

I dont have the points in front of me, but in trying to use the models you listed I would do this:

Farseer, Runes, Guide and doom
10 Dire Avengers, Exarch, Dual Catapult, Bladestorm
Waveserpent- TL ML

10 Dire Avengers, Exarch, Dual Catapult, Bladestorm
Waveserpent- TL BL

5 Rangers

3 Vypers- Scatter Lasers

5 Warp Spiders, Exarch, Dual Spinners

2 Fire Prisms

First, (In my opinion), making dire avengers close combat oriented is just a waste of points, with all the new, shiny BA out there (in addition to orks and sw) you have to work to your strength which is shooting. Save some points off your exarchs. Combine with doom or guide.

Vyper with BL way too expensive and fragile- put the BL on waveserpent.

Warp Spiders- again, putting points on close combat abilities for a unit of 5 str 3 guys is a waste. The exarch doesn't even have enough attacks to guarantee 1 wound a turn with his powerblades. Keep this unit cheap, jump in and spray a unit with 12 str 6 shots.

With the points you saved, you can essentially turn that vyper into another fire prism. If you don't have the points, drop the "upgraded" weapons off the waveserpents and keep them at shuriken cannons or scatter lasers for range (you should be close though).