Within my rights to refuse the trade?

[peacemystic]

I have alittle dilema,and would like some opinions on the matter
I have a trade in the works,that i was told was shipped before the 13th,as i was told on the 13th it had been shipped,and everytime i asked for the tracking number i was given the run-around,there has been a problem with the package arriving,and i finally got the tracking number and it appears that the package was sent on the 16th.
and i'm P%#@ed to tell you the truth,and i'm really considering refusing the trade
am i within my rights to do that?

[Ironhide]

Well, the question is did he lie, or could the package have gotten misplaced somehow at the post office? OR did he go to the post office as opposed to handing it to the mailman? Did you confront him about the discrepency?

[peacemystic]

Well, the question is did he lie, or could the package have gotten misplaced somehow at the post office? OR did he go to the post office as opposed to handing it to the mailman? Did you confront him about the discrepency?

Yeah did that,just got a reply with an apology which i appeciate,said he gave it to his girlfriend to send,and she didn't send it,and as its a trade for an Xbox 360 on his part,for a steel egion army on mine,i'm worried that i just can't trust this trade,especailly since i will get the warranty when he finds it

Cheers
Steve

[Ironhide]

I's say ship half the Steel Legion and hold the other half unitl he gets you the warranty. It would suck if 2 months down the line the 360 goes bad and you are stuck without a warranty.

[peacemystic]

I's say ship half the Steel Legion and hold the other half unitl he gets you the warranty. It would suck if 2 months down the line the 360 goes bad and you are stuck without a warranty.

You know thats a good idea,i just might go with that
Cheers
Steve

[peacemystic]

Now i'm being threatened with neagtive feedback... unless i reimburse him the cost of posting.....priceless

[NuWishA]

Threatening negative feedback is a bannable offense.

[starslayer]

Now i'm being threatened with neagtive feedback... unless i reimburse him the cost of posting.....priceless

Ridiculous. Im sure the deal was for an Xbox in WORKING ORDER. What if you get it and it doesnt work? Thats a good deal- a broken, non-working Xbox for a Steel Legion army. It could have been inoperational when shipped or be damaged in transit.I would be very careful with this guy. Make sure the game works & get the warranty before shipping. Are warranties even transferable to someone else??

[JohnHwangBT]

I have a trade in the works,that i was told was shipped before the 13th,as i was told on the 13th it had been shipped,and everytime i asked for the tracking number i was given the run-around,there has been a problem with the package arriving,and i finally got the tracking number and it appears that the package was sent on the 16th.
and i'm P%#@ed to tell you the truth,and i'm really considering refusing the trade
am i within my rights to do that?

No, you are not.

If you were going to cancel the trade, you should have done so *before* he shipped:

"Hi, it's been 2 days since you said you shipped and were going to give me a tracking number. If you can't give me the tracking number for the package before midnight, then I'm going to assume that you're not actually doing the deal, and the deal is off."

However, as you waited to change your mind until *after* he shipped, you now have two choices:
1. Send his X-Box back *with* return of his shipping fees.
2. Complete the deal by sending your half of the trade.

The only way you can get out of the deal at this point is if he sent you a non-functional X-box.

If that is your concern, then I suggest that you open the box with camera in hand to document *exactly* what condition things are when they were received, and how they were packaged. Preferably with a witness who can confirm condition of receipt.

But to be honest, if the guy is only a couple days late on the shipping, that really isn't so bad, all things considered.

And as for the Negative Feedback, if you cancel the deal at this point, without reimbursing postage, you'll deserve that Negative. Think about it. You make a deal. He makes an effort to get it shipped, and provides tracking number. He's supposed to eat the shipping cost because you changed your mind after he gave you the tracking number?

[MagickalMemories]

Ironhide wrote:
I's say ship half the Steel Legion and hold the other half unitl he gets you the warranty. It would suck if 2 months down the line the 360 goes bad and you are stuck without a warranty.

You know thats a good idea,i just might go with that
Cheers
Steve

Hmm... IMO, BAD IDEA.

You really are stuck in a corner, my friend.

The way it looks, you may really be within "your rights" to do that. It'll be close, though... and you'll end up looking like a TOOL.

"Let me 'splain. No. That would take too long. Let me sum up."

You two made a deal.
He was to ship first... and he did... All be it a little late.
Once he shipped, you decided to back out of the trade.
He mentions negative feedback.

This is where it gets weird.
First off, I don't necessarily agree with NuWishA. I mean, yeah, ITL intimidation is a big No-no. I just don't know that he qualifies. How did he say it? Warning and threatening are two different things. It's not a bannable offense to MENTION a negative ref.

An example:
"Please, man Don't start a fight with me. You would only end up hurt," and, "Dude! Don't F*** with me. I'll kick your @ss!"
Both impart the same message (that if he starts it, you'll end it) but one is a threat and the other a warning. Aggressive though it may be, the first one is NOT a threat. Stated similarly, a Neg. Ref warning would be just that; A warning.

There are a few possible ways this could go.

1) If he shipped 3 days late, you MIGHT be able to return the items and escape a negative ref... but it'll be close if it goes to Linrandir. How many times have we told someone to "give it a few days" when they're worried about an item not arriving & thinking they might have been ripped off? KWIM? Three days isn't a lot and, if it goes to Lin, he might decide you were in the wrong on that. He's notoriously neutral and does NOT give us veterans a longer rein simply because we've "done our time" here.

2) The item arrives, you open the box & check it out. It's non functional. You PM him about this and advise him that you will not pay to ship something back that you received broken. If he wants his broken machine back, he needs to send you the funds. This is NOT an unreasonable expectation.

3) Did you know BEFORE he sent the machine that it was arriving without a warranty? If you did not know until it was too late to refuse the deal (he'd already shipped), then you're well within your rights to refuse the item (Return to sender). If you knew ahead of time... Well, it's too late to change the specifics of the deal.

4) The box arrives, you open it and check to make certain it works, and -presuming it does- you send him your army (again, this is assuming you knew about the warranty thing during negotiations).

You're in a bad way here. In all honesty, there really isn't a lot of wiggle room, barring a few specific occurances.

Let us know how it goes?


Eric

[Adunaphel]

Three days late. That doesn't seem like much to me. Especially, when you had him ship first. But, I am fairly laid back and I know of some other traders who are extremely unforgiving in these matters.

If the item arrives and works but doesn't have the warranty, just ask for him to send the warranty and then you'll ship your end of the deal.

The worst part (for you) now is that if it arrives and works you will look at your new toy in a bad light.

If I was him and you had sent me a note saying that you wanted out of the deal after I had shipped something of that much monetary value, then I would probably point you towards the deadbeats threads too (and a not-so-positive reference). Especially if what he says is true about it just being a misunderstanding about shipping a little late.

Obviously, we don't have all the facts and it's all conjecture. But, I suspect he had to pay a LOT to ship it and for you to stamp "return to sender" on it just because he was a few days late is a bit harsh.

I would say relax, see if it works, and get the warranty. Then ship your end and pick up a copy of "Assassin's Creed".
It's awesome. Best game I have played in years.

Just my opinion.
Good luck.

Karl

[peacemystic]

Hey Gys
I'm not worried about the 3 days late,anyones who's traded with me knows i don't care about that,its the fact that i was lied to the gets my back up and then tried to cover his butt on the lie...were trying to work something out at the moment,we'll see how it goes,thanks for the advice
Cheers
Steve

[peacemystic]

If I was him and you had sent me a note saying that you wanted out of the deal after I had shipped something of that much monetary value, then I would probably point you towards the deadbeats threads too (and a not-so-positive reference). Especially if what he says is true about it just being a misunderstanding about shipping a little late.


I would say relax, see if it works, and get the warranty. Then ship your end and pick up a copy of "Assassin's Creed".
It's awesome. Best game I have played in years.

Just my opinion.
Good luck.

Karl

If it was a misunderstand i can see that happening too,but there was some covering up of the true nature of the tracking.....
had to ask for it 3 times and only got it when i told him "this deal is begining to smell fishy" then i get the tracking number straight away .only sending the tracking from Sharonville Ohio and leaving out the other scans that show when it was really shipped,i only found that out when i went to the UPS site and checked myself,thats when i got p*^&ed off,a mistake is one think but covering your tracks on the BS he told me is another.
and i've already bought Assassins Creed, i was like a kid in a candy store waiting for this

Cheers
Steve

[Adunaphel]

I understand. I figured that there might be some subterfuge on the other traders part. But even so, 3 days isn't half bad. Even if he was exagerating the fact. Sometimes (as I am sure you know) you have to stay on some traders to get their end out.

I wasn't trying to make any personal points. I was just trying to see it through his eyes also. Yeah, he shipped late. And yeah, maybe he stretched the truth (hard to say for sure). But as long as you get it in a reasonable amount of time AND it works with a warranty. Then, IMO, you really SHOULDN'T return the item to him.

I hope you can work it out.

Karl

[Ironhide]

Well, my question is this: Did the trade include the warranty or not? If it did, then he hasn't completed his part of the transaction. I wouldn't feel obligated to complete my side of the trade if the other guy didn't complete his. Just my 2 cents.