wysiwyg help/question.

[Gaijin18]

Hello and good morning fellow bartertowners.

I finally got ahold of my boxes of perry bro's cav to use to replace my rough riders and as I looked over how to model them up a thought passed my mind and thought I would get some advice here.


For the what you see is what you get rule how exactly would that work for rough riders,for as soon as they use their hunting lances the first time they are gone,after which they have sabers and what not,,,,so what would be the proper way to arm them,with lances or sabers,,,as they use sabers the majority of the game and not the hunting lances.????????


I had thought maybe about modeling up the lances as if they had been used then thrown on the ground,,,,but not too sure bout that either.

[EVIL INC]

The "actual" mongol looking models have them modeled holding the lances and they are "hard modeled on" so you cant remove them. So if you do the same you are ok but nothing says they have to be modeled "holding them" so long as they are represented.
Here are a few suggestions if you are up to the modeling part as I believe they would be hard to do.
1. Model them with their army held forward. Dril out the hand so that you can slide in the lance and they they are used, slide the lance out and slide a sword hiltin.
2. Model them with the sword and magnatize the lances so that they stick upright as if in "stowage" and remove them after use.

I like the lances and the whole imagery ofthem but think they would make placement on the table with the lances sticking so far foward a pain and the same issue would cause storage and transport more of a pain.

[starslayer]

Or have a simple token, or slip of paper indicating the lances have been used.

[mrrshann618]

Not many people have used rough riders in my area for a long time. However WAY back in the anuals of time when they were used infrequently the player merely had a 3x5 card for his squad and either put a token on the card to be removed when the lances were used or he put the card in his case after being used depending on if he had a counter along with at the time.

Another option is to simply have a token moved along with the riders, remove said token on the first declaired charge.

[starslayer]

Look at fantasy. Say for example you have a unit of Archers. They shoot their missile weapons. Suddenly they are engaged in combat. Do you have to switch them out because they put away their bows & use hand weapons? No.

[EVIL INC]

Or have a simple token, or slip of paper indicating the lances have been used.

I made a post earlier directly after Starslayer made his but it disapeared.. I'll repost it as close as I can...

Bah! Wheres the fun or challenge of THAT?!?!
That is a really good idea. I would not use paper though. I would find that boring. If I were to go that route, I would use a reguler round base and model on a small banner or standing lance to represent the unit having lances. Then just remove it afterwards. You could use that as an opportunity to go hog wild on a scenic conversion to go with the unit.
I'm thinking of getting a unit of chaos marauders sometime to convert into rough riders. I dont like the look of the current rough rider models.

[Gaijin18]

hmmmmm,,,,a few good suggestions I will have to think hard bout this one.


And I don't really like the hun rough riders either, originally I had modeled my own heads on the rough riders bodies now Im using the perry brothers heavy french cav as they are perfect for the theme Im going for,,,why cant I ever do anything simple! this army is going to take forever.


how would it look if the lances,,,so just layin there,some stuck in the ground and some broken were on the rough rider bases themselves?

[EVIL INC]

That would work for me. The important part is that the lances are represented SOMEWHERE on the model and that the models look good in YOUR eyes.

After reading this thread, I went and looked at the chaos marauder riders and other cavelry in fantasy and am actually eyeballing the empire pistal cavelry. Thinking converting one pistol each into a lasgun and using the other as a hand weapon might look good. Would only need to convert lances on somehow. Maybe removing the 2nd pistol and converting them into the hand may be good or just attaching them onto the rear of saddle with a magnet would look good too. A while to wait though cause i dont have the $ to buy either. lol
Good luck man.

[mrrshann618]

If I rememer right the old Attila rough rider sgt did not have a lance, instead he was modeled with a bolt pistol and chainsword.
Though skimmin through the GW site I no longer see that model, instead there is a new "command" rider with a lance.
So, technically if you happened to have that old model, it would still be GW "kosher" so therefore you could potentially use non-lancer models.

Model a few with satchel charges/grenades/clay bombs and say that your guys toss extremely short range grenades on the charge (the only carry one bomb) and then are forced to switch to concentional HtH weapons.

[fitterpete]

Ok I don't play 40k anymore so maybe I'm all out on this.Can rough riders come without lances? If not then I don't see why you have to model them that way.What dipstick is gonna look at a bunch of guys on horses in a IG army and NOT know they are roughriders.Do space marines still come with bolter AND bolt pistol? How many models have both?
If the lance is a one use weapon( so long ago last time I played you used them on each charge) then all you need is some kind of token that shows they have been used.
Maybe I'm just not that much of a pendant but I just see this as pretty nitpicky.
Pete

[EVIL INC]

LOL, They come with them automatically so all rough riders have them until used.
I agree with you in that it should not matter. Thats why I told him the important part is that they look good to HIM.
Of course you know, there ARE people who are so WAAC they will try to deny him use of the lances in a game if they are not modeled and in such tourneys as ard boys where everything HAS to be modeled, he could officially be denied their use.
Personally, I am like you in that it would not matter because I play to have fun and can have just as much fun if I get my ass handed to me if the opponent and game are enjoyable. I would want to model them somehow on my own models just for coolness sake and because it would bother me even if my opponent did not care.

[Gaijin18]

Rough riders are abit tricky to use sometimes.....as for one they don't fit well with tanks and such,but I have seen several different ways people have converted them up to be on bikes and the like. For a strong themed army like the one I am working on they are great.

Plus if you look over the new codex I will get 54(3 9man squadronsx2 attacks) pw attacks the 1st go round. They still don't get the +1 for extra ccw but they now get the +1 for charging. laughs all evil like.

Still tryin to work out how to model these...not doing anything hasty with this army.

[EVIL INC]

DEFINATELY, dont rush anything. I wanted a guard army since 2nd edition but could never afford one. When Apoc came out, Mamma Bird got me the guard company deal to get me started and I have spent the last couple years adding on and converting stuff to fit. I have taken my time and put a LOT of work into it and trust me, it is rewarding as hell even if you never win a game.
just got done painting up a 10 man penal squad this morning. Cant wait to get those orange jumpsuits into combat. A while back, I converted 10 ogryn using fantasy bulls and converted autocannons. They make me feel warm and fuzzy every time I look at them even though they SO rarely ever see the light of day.
Take your time and make them look right for YOU.