Wow.Adunaphel wrote:I almost hate to say it, but I agree with MM on this one.
I'm not certain I know how to feel about that statement.
Eric
Back outs are getting out of hand!
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MagickalMemories ( 832 )
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I'm not certain I know how to feel about that statement.
Eric
Lower rating? You ship first.
Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.
I think what this situation needs is some imagination.
"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell
Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.
I think what this situation needs is some imagination.
"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell
Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
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Adunaphel ( 812 )
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Hey Stansilav, if a buyer backs out on paying you on eBay, then the seller can leave a negative feedback and send eBay a non-paying warning. If the buyer receives three of these, then he/she is removed from eBay.
Unfortunately, I have had some lowlife buyers on eBay.
At least, that is the way it used to work. I don't know if they have changed it because eBay's policies have led to me using Bartertown more than eBay.
Eric, I was just kidding. Just, PLEASE, don't send me a link....
Karl
Unfortunately, I have had some lowlife buyers on eBay.
At least, that is the way it used to work. I don't know if they have changed it because eBay's policies have led to me using Bartertown more than eBay.
Eric, I was just kidding. Just, PLEASE, don't send me a link....
Karl
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MagickalMemories ( 832 )
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See... Now, that just makes me sad. LOL
My links are all Linrandir Approved TM, now.
Lin & I spoke & we decided that it would probably be best if I didn't post that particular link anymore.
(translated)
I got a
and a polite request from him.
Watch.
Click here & view the value of a GOOD link:
http://www.vectormagazine.co.uk/article ... ticleID=42
Eric
My links are all Linrandir Approved TM, now.
Lin & I spoke & we decided that it would probably be best if I didn't post that particular link anymore.
(translated)
I got a
and a polite request from him.Watch.
Click here & view the value of a GOOD link:
http://www.vectormagazine.co.uk/article ... ticleID=42
Eric
Lower rating? You ship first.
Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.
I think what this situation needs is some imagination.
"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell
Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.
I think what this situation needs is some imagination.
"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell
Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
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Gorblitz-Morkve ( 54 )
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After poking around the forums and reading threads like this Im glad I started here only approaching well established traders. I know Im not backing out and will return on my end even though my rating doesnt reflect it yet. I feel for the traders who get backed out on and implore the traders that have changes of heart or "just dont wanna" to at least communicate. PM 4 PM! 
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DarkSoul ( 676 )
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LOL.. im about ready to leave another one.. this one is a doozy...
Contacted a member about buying some items from him.. we agreed on a price... he gave me a paypal address.. i went to pay... Paypal refused the account said that it wasn't set up to send money to. (valid account just cant receive money) I informed the guy the same day.. (mind you this all took place in the same day)... the guy dropped off the face of the earth.. hasn't returned my pm's nothing...
Now i don't think we need to call out names for people who just back out of a trade.. yes its very annoying but its not like the deal was sealed and he flaked.
i do think a few more people posting BTR's will help the situation... but then again.. i think we should bring back hanging and interrupt prime time television every time someone is sentenced to death... nothing like seeing what will happen to you if you do something wrong to stop you from doing something wrong!
People do need to realize though that fishing like that is a sign of a scam and doing it will put you in that category. do i think all these people are trying to scam... "NO" but that doesn't change the fact that if you walk like a duck.. and you quack like a duck.. your more than likely a duck!
Contacted a member about buying some items from him.. we agreed on a price... he gave me a paypal address.. i went to pay... Paypal refused the account said that it wasn't set up to send money to. (valid account just cant receive money) I informed the guy the same day.. (mind you this all took place in the same day)... the guy dropped off the face of the earth.. hasn't returned my pm's nothing...
Now i don't think we need to call out names for people who just back out of a trade.. yes its very annoying but its not like the deal was sealed and he flaked.
i do think a few more people posting BTR's will help the situation... but then again.. i think we should bring back hanging and interrupt prime time television every time someone is sentenced to death... nothing like seeing what will happen to you if you do something wrong to stop you from doing something wrong!
People do need to realize though that fishing like that is a sign of a scam and doing it will put you in that category. do i think all these people are trying to scam... "NO" but that doesn't change the fact that if you walk like a duck.. and you quack like a duck.. your more than likely a duck!
Regards,
Thomas Sexton
-- My Soul was removed to make room for all this Sarcasm.
Thomas Sexton
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Rhaalidor ( 158 )
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Very GOOD, indeed. Thanks, Eric. Thanks, indeed.MagickalMemories wrote: http://www.vectormagazine.co.uk/article ... ticleID=42
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MagickalMemories ( 832 )
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I'm not asking for names... but what is/was his rating?DarkSoul wrote:LOL.. im about ready to leave another one.. this one is a doozy...
Contacted a member about buying some items from him.. we agreed on a price... he gave me a paypal address.. i went to pay... Paypal refused the account said that it wasn't set up to send money to. (valid account just cant receive money) I informed the guy the same day.. (mind you this all took place in the same day)... the guy dropped off the face of the earth.. hasn't returned my pm's nothing...
payPal will do that on only 2 occasions I know of...
1) is a limited account that has received it's max amount of incoming funds for the month
2) is suspected scamming.
Why the *F* were you paying first, dude?
I like that link, though reading it can be a bit exhausting.Rhaalidor wrote:Very GOOD, indeed. Thanks, Eric. Thanks, indeed.MagickalMemories wrote: http://www.vectormagazine.co.uk/article ... ticleID=42
See? No nearly naked fat guys holding their man-breasts in an attempt at a seductive manner.
::shudders at the thought::
Eric
Lower rating? You ship first.
Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.
I think what this situation needs is some imagination.
"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell
Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.
I think what this situation needs is some imagination.
"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell
Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
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His raiting is in the 20's... and i didnt see any reason not to pay first... silly me huh!I'm not asking for names... but what is/was his rating?
payPal will do that on only 2 occasions I know of...
1) is a limited account that has received it's max amount of incoming funds for the month
2) is suspected scamming.
Why the *F* were you paying first, dude?
Im gonna send him 1 more PM.. then post negative feedback... if i dont get a answer..
the maximum funding warning is different.. doesnt it say the user has reached the maximum amounts of funds for the month.. Ive incountered that one before... I figured I would give the guy the benifit of doubt maybe he just is having problems getting the issue corrected.. but you would think he would have spent 2 min to say.. Im sorry i dont know what the F* is wrong.. let me look into it...
its funny in almost 9 years ive had to file 3 btr.. one cuz a guy screwed up my ITL where i was -697 (yea guys i also have the record for lowest ITL too) and now 2 in as many weeks for Dropouts and Posible scamming...
Regards,
Thomas Sexton
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Thomas Sexton
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I would LOVE to hear DarkSouls reaction to this one.... Would you leave me a negative if It was you I did this to?
There was 1 trade I "Backed" out of. I admit it 100%, and would do it again in a second.
There was a trade between me and a person with a MUCH MUCH higher rating. We agreed on terms, we agreed on price, we swapped addresses, etc. It was a go! We decided to simo ship part of the deal.. I was to send my whole package to him, he was to send some models to me. After he recieved my package, he was then to send some cash.
We agreed to ship simo on thursday. However, on wednesday. I realized there was NO WAY I could ship on thursday, as there were 3-400 models that I had to individualy wrap. So I emailed him to let him know to please send friday instead of thursday.
No Reply.
4 Pm's and emails wednesday went unanswered.
Thursday came and went, no reply. At this point, i was upset because he promised to send me my models thursday, when i would send mine to him. So I wrote and told him if he sent me my models thursday, as promised, I would send mine out as soon as I got his, but if he did NOT send them thursday as promised, I was cancelling the trade.
I turns out he was at a Games Day. He got in contact with me monday. I canceled the trade for one reason. I was lied to. He said he would ship thursday, and he did not. I was unable to ship thursday also, but at least I tried MANY MANY times to let him know.
So would I get a negative for this?
Or should I LEAVE a negative for this?
In the end, I decided to let it go. I think backing out of a trade is a little to arbitrary and whimsical to leave a negative. I just add them to my do-not-trade list and move on.
-Anglacon
There was 1 trade I "Backed" out of. I admit it 100%, and would do it again in a second.
There was a trade between me and a person with a MUCH MUCH higher rating. We agreed on terms, we agreed on price, we swapped addresses, etc. It was a go! We decided to simo ship part of the deal.. I was to send my whole package to him, he was to send some models to me. After he recieved my package, he was then to send some cash.
We agreed to ship simo on thursday. However, on wednesday. I realized there was NO WAY I could ship on thursday, as there were 3-400 models that I had to individualy wrap. So I emailed him to let him know to please send friday instead of thursday.
No Reply.
4 Pm's and emails wednesday went unanswered.
Thursday came and went, no reply. At this point, i was upset because he promised to send me my models thursday, when i would send mine to him. So I wrote and told him if he sent me my models thursday, as promised, I would send mine out as soon as I got his, but if he did NOT send them thursday as promised, I was cancelling the trade.
I turns out he was at a Games Day. He got in contact with me monday. I canceled the trade for one reason. I was lied to. He said he would ship thursday, and he did not. I was unable to ship thursday also, but at least I tried MANY MANY times to let him know.
So would I get a negative for this?
Or should I LEAVE a negative for this?
In the end, I decided to let it go. I think backing out of a trade is a little to arbitrary and whimsical to leave a negative. I just add them to my do-not-trade list and move on.
-Anglacon
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I'm not Dark Soul, but under those situations, I wouldn't. Obviously I overextended my own personal obligations. Stuff happens I understand. However, I would have tried to make my own situation known before I left.
Lower rating? I ask that you ship first. Also, if I offer a stupidly good deal and you try to negotiate even lower...don't call it bad communication that you didn't get a reply. I deleted the message.
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I am Darksoul! <<<>>>>Stanislav wrote:I'm not Dark Soul,
And no i wouldn't have left a feedback one way or the other... I didn't do this because a guy backed out of a trade I did it cus a guy backed out of a trade and dropped off the face of the earth ... Their is a huge difference.. I understand things happen... I don't want to make people afraid to screw up.. I want to make Scammers afraid to Screw with US!!!!
I am not the end all be all of knowing when to post negatives for backing out... I'm just the person who i guess did it first... Use your good judgment.. if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck its probably a duck...
ahhh shucks that was one i was hoping would never get taken from me...Morlock-Bloodletter wrote:Well Dark, pleased to tell you that you no longer hold that record (for the lowest). The new ITL nuke for scammers and such is a -1000 to their current rating. I know of a couple that are in the -990's now. Don't know WHO for sure but I do know there are a couple/few.
Regards,
Thomas Sexton
-- My Soul was removed to make room for all this Sarcasm.
Thomas Sexton
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Adunaphel ( 812 )
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Unfortunately, Anglacon, in this case I think both traders could leave negative references. At least it would be within the rulez, but I would hope that most traders would be reasonable enough to see that the trade had failed on both ends and let it go.
I am beginning to think that Stanislav SHOULD have left a negative reference for the trader who couldn't part with the items that he had initiated a trade with. If Darksoul can come back from having a huge negative rating into the trade giant that he is, then this trader can learn.
I guess we can only hope that with more exposure to this problem, the newer traders (who are more likely to pull these kinds of things) will actually read these threads and learn proper trade etiquette quicker.
Of course, if you look at how many times Da Rulez have been read then maybe I am being too optimistic...
By the way, Eric, that link was a VERY interesting read. I admit it took a little bit of time for me to click on it, though....
Karl
I am beginning to think that Stanislav SHOULD have left a negative reference for the trader who couldn't part with the items that he had initiated a trade with. If Darksoul can come back from having a huge negative rating into the trade giant that he is, then this trader can learn.
I guess we can only hope that with more exposure to this problem, the newer traders (who are more likely to pull these kinds of things) will actually read these threads and learn proper trade etiquette quicker.
Of course, if you look at how many times Da Rulez have been read then maybe I am being too optimistic...
By the way, Eric, that link was a VERY interesting read. I admit it took a little bit of time for me to click on it, though....
Karl
