What is the most you'll make available?

[Ironhide]

No offense taken, MagickalMemories.

Point taken, orcdom. I gave my opinion. That's all I've got to say.

[ekister]

I don't agree with post counts, trade refs counts, or date joined. I personnally think all of it can give the wrong impression.

Yeah - perhaps you have chosen the wrong place to trade your stuff. These are what make Bartertown what it is. Without post counts, trade references and joined dates, there is no Bartertown because no one in their right mind would send things that cost money all around the world in the hopes of getting other things that cost money sent back without some sort of measurement of trust.

I am not sure what you expect from people, but I expect very little and trust very little. In over 1000 on-line trades, I have only been burned 1 time. Yes, there have been a few mishaps, but I believe all were legit but the one. That one was a good one since it was done by the owner of a board that quickly crash after his deeds were made aware to everyone involved. The site returned but under different ownership. He earned a huge black eye in the gaming world we were involved in (L5R card game) and was considered a pestilence from that time forward. Sure he got a few hundred bucks from some folks, but we all knew who he was and he got what he deserved.

But back to Bartertown and your post. I think you should reevaluate your opinion. Read what others are saying and think about the implications of what you say is:

...personnally think all of it can give the wrong impression.

I think it can only send the RIGHT impression.

Oh, and BTW - nice myspace page - perfect to put in your signature to a bunch of dudes trading little army guys.

Ekister

[WillFightForFood]

Deleted Post

[MagickalMemories]

Why, Steve. You seem.... bothered.


Eric

[orcdom]

lol eric, not at the time he just pissed me off, spouting off to the extent saying the things that make Btown what it is, that they dont matter.

i cant rem. when i first joined, but if you check my refs it was i think in 99.
so i guess i can be considered to be bothered if you consider i have taken time in the last 7 or so years to read the rules and help by getting numerous people from here locally at home and other places of the online community promoting Bartertown as the greatest place to trade due to the way its setup.

but also i have participated in discussions to help, or hopefully help bartertown. and when someone balntanly pops off saying sh!t like that dont really matter and can give someone the wrong opinion i get bothered.

i have been chatting more on here in the last year because there have been more discussion in the respective forums due to people like Magical Mem, arch 8ngl (or how ever its spelled), the mods (admin), and some of the other regs, (some are new some arent).

this is a good community and there are alot of lurkers that pop in at the right time and speak up as well, so yes post count and time enlisted (membership), isnt the perfect way to show where to get advice or whatever, but it helps.

just like in real life, most of the time your advice is best from your elders. not to say the noobs dont contribute, some do in great ways, but be ready to accept criticism when spouting off and havent even scanned through the forums.

your here to trade, some of us here want to keep bartertown a safe place to trade. and thats why those of us have come here to chat.

Steve

[MagickalMemories]

Well said, Steve... Well said.


Oh, and congrats on hitting 1000 posts.


... not that it matters!



Eric

[Ironhide]

Umm...just one thing. Only 39 votes have been cast, yet there are over 8,000 members. So my question is this, does .004875% of the members on BT have a right in changing something the majority either doesn't care about or doesn't know about? And if they don't know about, maybe they should be made aware before someone makes a decision.

Thanks for the comment Ekister.

[Alsiaie]

Umm...just one thing. Only 39 votes have been cast, yet there are over 8,000 members. So my question is this, does .004875% of the members on BT have a right in changing something the majority either doesn't care about or doesn't know about? And if they don't know about, maybe they should be made aware before someone makes a decision.

Thanks for the comment Ekister.

By having this thread, bartertown makes all people aware of the possible changes. For all remaining members who do not know or don't post, don't care. When something actually changes, adam will post again.

[orcdom]

plus how many of those 8000 members are active? kind of a stupid question in the first place, it like asking why all of the people dont vote on election day.

only the people that seem to care of what happens here will vote, if your worried about your vote, the ask people to look at this thread.

Steve

[ekister]

Umm...just one thing. Only 39 votes have been cast, yet there are over 8,000 members. So my question is this, does .004875% of the members on BT have a right in changing something the majority either doesn't care about or doesn't know about? And if they don't know about, maybe they should be made aware before someone makes a decision.

Its because we care about the site and participate. Sure there are few votes because most members are here for one or two trades/sales and then they are gone. Active users probably number in the mid 100's. But many of those are regulars who participate in discussions and have been here awhile. For some of us its a drug addiction that needs its fix.

And, truthfully, I doubt any of us have any control, we are just lucky to have a few people that really care about this place and solicit the advice of those who have been here since the beginning (or at least close to it ) and those who care to participate. If a change is made its beacuse Adam and Lin decide it needs to be done.

Kudos and thanks to both of them and the rest of the site Admins!!!

Ekister

[MagickalMemories]

Umm...just one thing. Only 39 votes have been cast, yet there are over 8,000 members. So my question is this, does .004875% of the members on BT have a right in changing something the majority either doesn't care about or doesn't know about? And if they don't know about, maybe they should be made aware before someone makes a decision.

Just like everyone else pointed out... It's just like REAL life...
You know... Where decisions are made by a few because the majority don't bother to turn out.

Anyone here who doesn't like the new rules should voice their opinion and be heard.
If they're too busy to be inconvenienced by reading things that would better their experience here, then they don't have a right to complain when they're required to comply or choose to vacate.

Eric

[Ironhide]

Actually it's not like real life. In the 2004 presidential election 58.3% of the U.S. Population voted. That's 125.7 million people out of a population of 215.7 million people. Of the 215.7 million people in the U.S. only 142 million people are registered voters. So 89% of the registered voters actually voted in the 2004 presidential elections. In the past two National elections the voter turnout has increased both times. So in real life, the majority decides. Not the minority.

And by the way before you go spouting off how the American populace doesn't vote, you should probably check the facts.

[MagickalMemories]

Ooh.
Check out Mr. "TEN ref's, 27 posts"
He's all kewl now.

Maybe I've been pwned.


...Nah...

Because, as you were so kind to illustrate in your post, while attempting to chastise me thusly:

And by the way before you go spouting off how the American populace doesn't vote, you should probably check the facts.

YOU have proven MY point.
Of the incoming votes, HOW MANY did the winner receive? IIRC, it was less than the loser.
Even IIRC incorrectly, compare the # of votes he RECEIVED to the total population.

See, regardless of whether a citizen is a registered voter, he or she is STILL a citizen.
You can't only count the portion that you want just to make your ideas look better.
By using the example that you did, you supported my facts.
(Ahem... facts)

58.3% of the U.S. Population voted

How many of those voted for the WINNER?
As I said... the vocal minority makes the rules.

Thanks for providing the numbers to me to prove you wrong with.

Please, don't waggle that thing my way. I'm not interested in a pissing contest.

Look. I'm a good guy. A nice guy, some might say. We can play nice. I play nice "real good."
Don't come at me with the attitude of your last post. I can do without the snotty attitude. I can get pissy myself, I just prefer not to. I like harmony.

If you're going to come at me with attitude, save your breath. I'll just iignore you from here on out.
If you're wondering what I'm talking about, go back & read your last sentence.
Wrong guy. Wrong time.

Eric

[Ironhide]

I proved your point?? I don't see how. After all you said...

Just like everyone else pointed out... It's just like REAL life...
You know... Where decisions are made by a few because the majority don't bother to turn out.

125.7 million people out of a population of 215.7 million people voted. That's not a majority?

majority (n): the property resulting from being or relating to the greater in number of two parts; the main part

Out of that 125.7 million, 50.7% voted for Bush and 48.3% voted for Kerry.

The majority did turn out. And out of that majority we decided who would be president.

Now, since we're comparing voting on here to REAL life let's take a look at the differences.

Let's see...there are 8755 registered user on Bartertown. Out of that 8755 users, 5580 have actually posted on BT. Only 39 have voted on this topic. That's .004% of the "potential" number of voters available, and .006% of the people who have actually posted.

No effort to inform the other 8716 members of this little vote has been made from the people who say "they want to give back to the community." Yet in REAL life, people know when they have to register by, when and where they have to vote, and the issues that each of the candidates stand for.

This isn't a vote that affects just 39 people, it affects all 8755 of us. Of which I might add, 5092 don't even have locations listed. It doesn't matter if they are active or inactive, because you are talking about surrendering private information over the internet without their consent.

[orcdom]

then quit your damned bitching and get more to vote then, or piss off, we are getting tired of your bitching till you can win one d!ck measuring contest here, but the point is with any voting, i could care less about the f#@!'n national vote compared to this, right now, we are talking about B'town and the other was an example of not all voted. and that point you proved that "not all" voted

just like here, if you have a problem with it complain to the other parts of the community, not the other 30 odd people here that have done thier part.

the other members can read as well, just like we did when we scanned through this thread, if they dont want to bother with it then tough sh!t. apparently your the only one worried about it and i am guessing your even more of the minoroty then.
Steve