Orclord and I had arranged to trade a bunch of my old Tyranids, which had some damage and some missing pieces, for his Cygnar. I mentioned the damage and etc many times during the lead up to the trade. I provided photos, and when he received the miniatures, he decided they were 'crap' and that he didn't like the glue on them. So, he mailed them back to me. I got my minis back, but I wasted $25 in shipping. I didn't file a bad trader report but I'm annoyed that I wasted $25 for nothing. Some models were old and had damage, which I admit - I traded about $100+ in his favour because of that. Not seeking any other resolution than venting my annoyance.
tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:59 pm
by orclord
I was wondering what you have in your tyranid army. Also what were you looking for from cygnar? I got a lot of the older cygnar and kahdor stuff. LMK thanks, Jeffrey
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:30 am
by MaximumTaco
Hi orclord,
I've got a fairly decent-sized army. There are a few squads of hormagaunts, about 10-12 warriors, 2-3 squads of genestealers, a biovore, and some OOP stuff for heavy beasts like the Hive Tyrant and a really ancient something as a Carnifex. I can send pics tomorrow. How big is your Cygnar force? Is it enough to form a decent army?
Thanks,
-Daniel
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:25 am
by orclord
Yes it's pretty big has metal starter box, trenchers, hammersmith, haley and epic haley, darius, journeymen warcaster. Those are the one I know of the top of my head all give you some more names tomorrow. LMK thanks, Jeffrey
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:55 am
by MaximumTaco
Hey Jeffrey,
I will get you a complete breakdown of the models tomorrow night. Can you send me the same for your Cygnar list and maybe we can work out a deal?
Thanks!
-Daniel
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:00 pm
by orclord
Hey Daniel, I got the list of cygnar stuff! All this stuff is painted above tabletop quality. And all are from old edition. Here's the list: Warcasters
Haley
Nemo
Allister caine
Warjacks
Setnial
Lancer
Charger
Ironclad
Centerion
Defender
Thunderhead
Units
Long gunners 10 man
Arcane mages {Guys with pistol and cloaks} 6 man
Trenchers 10 man
mechanic and 3 goblins
Solos
Journeyman warcaster
Gun mage captain adapt
That's what I got! LMK what you think. Thanks, Jeffrey
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:41 am
by MaximumTaco
Hey Jeffrey,
Here is the Tyranid list.. it's mostly painted to a decent tabletop standard, with a few pieces that are not so well painted I put together a list of the total retail price of each of our lists below. A number of my guys have broken limbs and the like from their time of neglect, and I would be willing to trade heavily in your favour to compensate you for this. I will do what I can to ensure that every spare piece I can find is included, and I would be willing to trade around $100 in your favour if you're up for a deal. I will supply you with pics as well. I'd be shipping first since your rating pretty much crushes mine, so if they turn out to be horrifyingly unacceptable and you want to back out, I'll survive (hopefully in that unlikely event we can at least split shipping or something). I'll make sure you have tons of pics before we finalize anything so that nothing is a surprise though. About 80-90% are in perfect shape, just a number of the gaunts and warriors need limbs reglued (or have empty arm sockets as their guns are still on sprues, I always hated termagaunts and played them all as hormagaunts!). Right now we're about $200 apart, minus $100 for damage, and I can give you another $25 of room at least (half the price of a new Tyrant) since I also realize there are a lot of warriors and not a lot of monstrous creatures in there, which is what I hear all the cool kids are running these days You mentioned you might have Darius or a Hammersmith or something around? If you have one more heavy jack or something that you could toss in I think we'd be pretty close to balanced. Let me know what you think in principle, and I'll have some pics ready for you tomorrow.
Hope we can work something out!
Talk to you soon,
-Daniel
$99 - Biovore x3 (with Spore Mine x9 - 1 biovore is a very old edition)
$186 Warrior x16
$22 - Lictor
$22 - Zoanthrope
$25 - Hive Tyrant (seriously ancient version)
$85 - 41 Gaunts
$30 - Ripper Swarm x3
$101 - 27 Genestealers
$5 - 1 Mystery monster, carnifexy but ancient and possibly not GW.
A ton of bits (sprues, all the guns from termagaunts I converted to hormagaunts, etc)
Total: $575
Hey Daniel, I got the list of cygnar stuff! All this stuff is painted above tabletop quality. And all are from old edition. Here's the list:
Warcasters
$8 - Haley
$9 - Nemo
$11 - Allister caine
Warjacks
$17 - Setnial
$17 - Lancer
$15 - Charger
$28 - Ironclad
$35 - Centerion
$28 - Defender
$50 - Thunderhead
Units
$46 - Long gunners 10 man
$28 - Arcane mages {Guys with pistol and cloaks} 6 man
$50 - Trenchers 10 man
$17 - mechanic and 3 goblins
Solos
$9 - Journeyman warcaster
$9 - Gun mage captain adapt
Total: $377
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:55 am
by orclord
I want all the newer stuff at least and bits. Will the gaunts turn back into Termagaunts ( I'm going to be spawning them from the new tervigon). I will through the hammersmith in there but he is painted deferently then the rest and also the arcane mages are dark blue with nbrown on gun. ( Deferent blue then the rest also but easy to strip . I'm thinking 2 biovores, 10 warriors, the lictor, zoanthrope, 41 gaunts, 27 genestealers for my cygnar. I'm at $412 and you're at 402 for the things I listed but still want pics. Just to make sure I know what they look like! LMK thanks Jeffrey
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:24 pm
by orclord
There's a problem you're in Canada and i'm in USA so we can't track our boxes . LMK thanks,Jeffrey
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:36 pm
by MaximumTaco
I'll have the pics for you by tonight! As for tracking, it's just a few bucks extra on shipping for me to get tracking with Canada Post. It shouldn't be a problem, I will be shipping to you first
Generally I have found that Canada-US trades take about 5-7 business days to travel., I just got one trade in yesterday actually that was shipped from PA on the 23rd and it arrived on the 5th of July! Considering the holiday in the middle it's not a bad transit time. I've never really had any problems trading cross-border, but hopefully my shipping first brings some comfort to the deal!
-Daniel
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:04 pm
by orclord
I know but I can't track past boarder and you can't ether. If you really want the cygnar, you could send me some money for insurance maybe. I've never shipped out into to other continents before. ( at least not with bartertown). I still haven't got pics. LMK thanks, Jeffrey
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:39 am
by MaximumTaco
Hi Jeffrey,
I'm pretty sure shipping won't be an issue - insurance is still easy and usually included in the package costs, and tracking just means there may be a couple days of uncertainty between the border and the arrival. It looks like you're in Michigan, so it's just a hop over the border, and you have an impeccable record, I don't think there will be any problems.
Here is a link to my photobucket with the pictures of the models:
http://s646.photobucket.com/albums/uu18 ... /Tyranids/
I can do larger closeups as well if there is something you need to get a closer look at. I can send it to you in the case I'm using (shown in the pics) if you'd like it, otherwise I'll bubblewrap the models and pack into a box. I'll throw in the ripper bases for free, and I will also include all of the Nid bits and sprues I have lying around so you'll be able to convert as many gaunts as you need into termagants. The biovores are missing the heads and one arm in those pictures, but the bits are downstairs and they will be included in the package. Let me know what you think, if there is more information I can give you about the models, etc. Hopefully we can get a deal through, I'm excited about the Cygnar and with the new rules it looks like Tyranids have a lot going for them and should be a fun army for you.
Hope to talk to you soon,
-Daniel
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:58 am
by orclord
Looks good so all of that for my cygnar. Plus the lictor and zoanthrope. Which I did not see in there. LMK thanks, Jeffrey
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:09 am
by MaximumTaco
Whoops, you're right. The lictor is in the box but I will take pics tonight. It's primed and unassembled. The zoanthrope was the lying-down model in two pieces, the head and the long body. It's the metal one, I think the new plastic one is the one with the giant-er head and all the spiny bits. Hope that's OK - I will still include extra warriors and etc to compensate you for the damaged models. Would you like me to mail it to you in the case, or just in a box? Case will cost me a bit more, so if you won't need it I won't send it, but I'm happy to send it over since I won't need it anymore.
Once I collect all the bits together I will write a final list of what I'm sending and we can finalize a deal Should be ready to pack it up tonight and ship as early as tomorrow if you're ready for it
-Daniel
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:39 am
by orclord
I will email you tonight! You wanted all that Cygnar that was in the list plus hammersmith right? Just send me the list tonight as soon as possible. LMK thanks, Jeffrey
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:31 am
by MaximumTaco
Hey Jeffrey,
Here's the lictor: <pic>
And here's the tentative trade list!
From me:
$66 - Biovore x2 (with Spore Mine x6 - 1 biovore is a very old edition)
$116 Warrior x10
$22 - Lictor
$22 - Zoanthrope
$85 - 41 Gaunts
$101 - 27 Genestealers
Tyranid bits (sprues, all the guns from termagaunts I converted to hormagaunts, etc)
Total: $412
As I mentioned there is some damage and there are a few missing claws, etc. I am including the following extra models as compensation...
$30 - Ripper Swarm Base x3
$33 - Old Biovore + 3 spore mines
$23 - Warrior x2
$10 - Toolbox/army case (if you want it, please let me know when you respond to this)
Misc bonus bits for conversions (whatever I can find)
Total: $508
=================
From you in return:
Warcasters
$8 - Haley
$9 - Nemo
$11 - Allister Caine
Warjacks
$17 - Sentinel
$17 - Lancer
$15 - Charger
$28 - Ironclad
$35 - Centurion
$28 - Defender
$50 - Thunderhead
$35 - Hammersmith
Units
$46 - Long gunners 10 man
$28 - Arcane mages {Guys with pistol and cloaks} 6 man
$50 - Trenchers 10 man
$17 - mechanic and 3 goblins
Solos
$9 - Journeyman warcaster
$9 - Gun mage captain adapt
Total: $412
If you're happy with this as our final deal, let me know. I will pack everything up tomorrow night and have it in the mail by Friday. If you can give me your address as well I can get an idea of the price of shipping, although it shouldn't be too bad.
Thanks again!
-Daniel
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:22 pm
by orclord
I don't really want the lictor and 2 biovores so instead can you throught that toolbox/bits box thing in and a couple more warriors? LMK thanks, Jeffrey
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:17 pm
by MaximumTaco
Hehe, sure. So.. how about this: I added 4 extra warriors to the top part of the deal. I will include the case and I also found two more genestealers. I will give you the biovores and the lictor as a bonus, I haven't got much use for them anymore. Let me know if this looks good to you and I'll have it in the mail tomorrow if we finalize it
Thanks again,
-Daniel
And here's the tentative trade list!
From me:
$168 Warrior x14 (plus some warrior pieces, may be able to assemble 1-2 more with bits)
$22 - Zoanthrope
$85 - 41 Gaunts
$109 - 29 Genestealers
$10 - Toolbox/army case
Tyranid bits (sprues, all the guns from termagaunts I converted to hormagaunts, etc)
Total: $394
As I mentioned there is some damage and there are a few missing claws, etc. I am including the following extra models as compensation...
$30 - Ripper Swarm Base x3
$99 - Biovore x3 (with Spore Mine x9 - 1 biovore is a very old edition)
$22 - Lictor
Total: $545
=================
From you in return:
Warcasters
$8 - Haley
$9 - Nemo
$11 - Allister Caine
Warjacks
$17 - Sentinel
$17 - Lancer
$15 - Charger
$28 - Ironclad
$35 - Centurion
$28 - Defender
$50 - Thunderhead
$35 - Hammersmith
Units
$46 - Long gunners 10 man
$28 - Arcane mages {Guys with pistol and cloaks} 6 man
$50 - Trenchers 10 man
$17 - mechanic and 3 goblins
Solos
$9 - Journeyman warcaster
$9 - Gun mage captain adapt
Total: $412
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:39 pm
by orclord
Sounds good, but I need till tomorrow to see how much my stuff will be for shipping to you. I need your adres and all give you mine tomorrow to finalize the deal. LMK thanks, Jeffrey
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:44 pm
by MaximumTaco
NEWS:
In the search for more bits I just found a bunch more guys. Found 6 more gaunts, *12* more genestealers, and I think almost all the missing claws. Also found the pieces of a warrior.
6 Gaunts: $12.50
12 Genestealers: $45
1 Warrior: $12
So an extra $70 or so in trade value (of stuff you can actually use I think!)
I can throw in the gaunts and the warrior just to sweeten the deal, and I could add the genestealers if you had another Cygnar piece you might be willing to part with?
Even without the genestealers, just consider this an extra $24 in trade value added to the deal, no strings attached.
-Daniel
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:45 pm
by MaximumTaco
Hey Jeffrey,
My address is the following:
Daniel Perez
45 Gulfstream Road
Toronto, Ontario
M9M 1S4
Canada
If you can give me your address then I'll be able to figure out my anticipated shipping as well
-Daniel
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:08 pm
by orclord
Yeah I want the warrior and the gaunts, but not more genestealers. thanks, Jeffrey
<back and forth on shipping details>
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:34 pm
by orclord
okay thanks i'll send a pm when I get it and then i'll ship mine. thanks, Jeffrey
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:57 am
by MaximumTaco
Hey, I just figured out that you can use the Canadian tracking code on the US Postal site and vice versa, so we can track things both ways
I think the package has arrived in your city as of this morning and should be delivered very soon. Hope you're happy with it!
-Daniel
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:11 pm
by orclord
Yes I got your package but haven't got to look at it yet been really busy hoping to play a game against my friend monday. I will ship your tomorrow. Thanks, Jeffrey
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:47 pm
by MaximumTaco
Thanks Jeffrey! Looking forward to it
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:17 pm
by orclord
Your package was shipped today and will be there next week. You got a way better deal then me I just wanted to let you know that who ever put those guys together sucked I will never trade again for such crapy and old models. Thanks, Jeffrey
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:35 pm
by MaximumTaco
Hey Jeffrey,
I know there were a couple of models that weren't in great shape, that's why I included a bunch of extra stuff; but all the genestealers, almost all of the gaunts, and most of the warriors should have been fine. I'm sorry you're disappointed. If you've already shipped your half, can you tell me what I could do to improve the situation for you?
-Daniel
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:43 pm
by MaximumTaco
If it would help, I could ship you the unit of 12 NOS Genestealers once your half arrives.
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:10 pm
by orclord
I went to the post office I'm sending your stuff back today to you because I don't like what you gave me and you didn't give me all what I asked. Thanks, Jeffrey
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:22 pm
by MaximumTaco
Hi Jeffrey,
Please tell me what was on the list that you did not receive, everything included in the trade list was there plus extra. If you are shipping it back, I would like you to compensate me for the $25 I spent on shipping, I don't think it's fair for you to be backing out when I clearly described the items many times, provided photos, traded in your favour, and offered to include additional items when you said you weren't happy.
-Daniel
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:54 pm
by orclord
I'm not giving you any money, You should be happy. I'm spending more on shipping then you did so I'm not giving you your money back. It won't be shipped until tomorrow because I'm really busy with other stuff. I was giving you such a better deal better painted better minature no broken or crapy glues. thanks, Jeffrey
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:18 pm
by MaximumTaco
I fulfilled my half of the trade exactly as agreed, I supplied photos, warned you many times about the models, and offered to make good even when you said you were disappointed. I will be filing a backout against you. Please supply me with a tracking number when you have shipped the models.
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:31 pm
by orclord
The minatures are *edit*. I'm not going to do the trade that I have 400+worth of stuff and you only have $ 100 my value. The pictures you sent me were crape compared to mine that I was going to send you. I will talk to you later about it, I'm not happy you're taking this to far. Thanks, Jeffrey
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:01 am
by MaximumTaco
I just want to make it clear that I'm still willing to try to work something out with minis or even a few $ to finalize a trade.
If you're going to be sending my minis back, please do it ASAP.
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:29 pm
by orclord
I already sent everything back saturday and should be there this week sometime. thanks for trying email me back when you get it. jeffrey
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:25 pm
by MaximumTaco
Hey,
I got the package on Friday, everything looks pretty much intact, a couple more claws look like they broke in shipping but nothing unfixable or different from the rest. I won't leave you a negative feedback this time but I will be putting in a backout. I understand you were disappointed with the minis but I told you many times about them. A backout won't be read by many people and your posts will show that you returned them for a reason. I'm still annoyed at wasting $25 on shipping for nothing, and I realize you've wasted $30 to ship it back for the same reason. I hope this seems fair to you and will conclude this deal.
-Daniel
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:29 pm
by orclord
Thank you for understanding the pictures were very dark so I couldn't see how crapy you glued them. Thank you again, Jeffrey
Re: tyranid/cygnar
Sent: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:39 pm
by MaximumTaco
Those hideous red ones are some that I got in another trade actually, the ones I assembled were just the gaunts and genestealers. I have no idea why those few ones were caked with glue like that.
