Backout: Stonedog

[randall3rd]

I've never filed a Deadbeat report before even though I have had numerous backouts,

but this one just ticked me off nicely. I would advise everyone to stay far away from

Ken (Stonedog). He didn't tell me he changed his mind or anything of the sort, just

stopped responding.

At first he said he definitely wanted a few Circle of Orboros items I had, and then after addresses had been exchanged he informed me that he already had them.
Then he said

he wanted my Malifaux rulebook and fate deck and addresses were exchanged again, deal

was made and money order was supposedly sent. I contacted him after 10 days because I

had not received it yet, and he responded by saying he would put a tracer on it and

get back to me in 3 days. That was over a week ago and he has been ignoring my PM's

even though he is online frequently and reading my PM's, even posting for sale ads.

Our conversation as follows:

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Sent: Wed May 12, 2010 5:32 pm
by Stonedog
Hello!

I want:

Circle of Orboros
Morvahna the Autumblade (new in box) $5
Argus x2 (bare metal, partially assembled) $6 each

I need to send a MO though......

I will ship first and it will be a USPS MO.

Please give me a total to ship to 40006 in Kentucky.

THANKS!

Ken

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Sent: Wed May 12, 2010 6:36 pm
by randall3rd
Hey,

Money order is fine as long as you don't have a problem waiting before I send out the

figures.
I can get them shipped out to you for $3. If that sounds alright, the total will be

$20.

I took a look at your other post you have, it says you were looking for Malifaux

items. I have a Rulebook in excellent shape, Lady Justice starter and Viktorias

starter and also a fate deck. Anything you would be interested in? They are all

unbuilt. I probably wouldn't be interested in just selling the rulebook, but if you

were interested in figures as well we might be able to work something out.

Let me know what you think,
Thanks!
-Chris

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Sent: Wed May 12, 2010 7:09 pm
by Stonedog
Well I definitely want the Hordes models....

As far as Malifaux....I would LOVE the rule book.....but I only play Neverborn and

the boxed sets that you have don't help me out....if you can part with just the rule

book let me know a total for the Hordes and the rulebook!

Ken

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Sent: Wed May 12, 2010 7:13 pm
by randall3rd
Hey Ken,

I'm not going to be able to part with just the book, maybe one day I'll give the game

a shot with the figures.
Also, the rulebook would bump shipping up quite a bit.

My address is:
Chris XXXXXXX
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I'll mark the Circle items sold and send them out when I receive the money order.

Thanks very much,
-Chris

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Sent: Wed May 12, 2010 7:14 pm
by Stonedog
Sweet! THANKS!

My address:

Kenneth XXXXXXXX
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Sent: Wed May 12, 2010 9:53 pm
by Stonedog
Well crap...I just looked....I already have the Hordes minis that I was going to buy

from you!!!

Out of curiosity....what would you want for the Malifaux book and minis?

Ken

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Ken,

So then I will assume you've changed your mind about wanting the figures?

For the entire Malifaux lot I'd like to get $60 plus shipping.

Thanks,
-Chris

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Sent: Thu May 13, 2010 8:27 pm
by Stonedog
Yeah...sorry I will have to pass on the Hordes stuff. Sorry.....also the Malifaux

too...

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Sent: Thu May 13, 2010 10:25 pm
by randall3rd
Hey,

So thought I would mention that I just sold off the Malifaux minis as it would seem

nobody wanted both the minis and the figures. I know have the book available and a

fate deck. If you would like the book, how much are you looking to pay?

Cheers,
-Chris

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Sent: Thu May 13, 2010 10:26 pm
by Stonedog
Well....what would you want for the deck and the rule book????

I am VERY interested!!!

K.

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Sent: Thu May 13, 2010 10:41 pm
by randall3rd
Hows about $27 for them both shipped.

The deck is like new in card sleeves, the book is in very good condition, light

marking on the front back, but no tears or page creases.

Cheers,
-Chris

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Sent: Fri May 14, 2010 3:50 am
by Stonedog
Consider it a deal!

Where do I send the MO??

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Sent: Fri May 14, 2010 7:35 am
by randall3rd
Hey,


Same address as where the Argus was going to go

Chris XXXXXXXXXXX
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Let me know when you get it sent out so I know to expect it.

Thanks!
-Chris

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Sent: Sun May 23, 2010 3:34 pm
by randall3rd
Hey there!

Just wanted to check in to see when you got the money order sent off as I have not

received it yet.
Thanks,
-Chris

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Sent: Mon May 24, 2010 11:23 am
by randall3rd
Hey,

Sorry about the repeat PM, trying to work out if you got the previous message as my

message moved out of my Outbox.
Please take a moment and let me know when you were able to send the money order as

I've had your items packaged up and ready to go for a week now.

Much appreciated,
-Chris

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Sent: Tue May 25, 2010 7:22 pm
by Stonedog
Oh crap.....I sent the MO 10 days ago!

I have been out on business and just had a chance to check my PMs.

I am going to have to run a trace on the MO to see where it is.....gimme 3 days to

get back with you.

Ken

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Sent: Wed May 26, 2010 10:28 am
by randall3rd
Ok, Let me know what you find out. Thanks,
-Chris

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Sent: Fri May 28, 2010 8:41 am
by randall3rd
Hi Ken,

Just wanted to check in to see what is happening. I noticed you just put up for sale

a Malifaux rulebook, and were planning to buy mine. Were you still interested in

purchasing mine? Did you figure out what happened to the money order? Delivery

confirmation on the money order?

Please let me know what's going on, this sale has been going for 2 weeks now and is

becoming a bit of a drag to be honest.

-Chris

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Sent: Sun May 30, 2010 1:04 am
by randall3rd
Hi Ken,

I can see you're getting my messages through the Outbox, please let me know what's

going on when you get a moment.
Thanks

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Sent: Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:58 am
by randall3rd
Hi Ken,

Please send me an update on the status of payment.

If I don't hear from you by the end of tomorrow afternoon (Thursday, 3rd) I'll be

making a post in the Deadbeats & Backout forum.

-Chris

[MagickalMemories]

Sent: Tue May 25, 2010 7:22 pm
by Stonedog
Oh crap.....I sent the MO 10 days ago!

I have been out on business and just had a chance to check my PMs.

I am going to have to run a trace on the MO to see where it is.....gimme 3 days to

get back with you.

Ken

Unless he sent it in a bubble envelope, box, etc., he can't get Delivery Confirmation (they won't put it on regular envlopes).
So, what I want to know is what kind of a "trace" is he putting on it?

Mind you, this is not to imply any wrong-doing on his part. I'd just like to know how he planned to trace it.

Eric

[randall3rd]

I'm really not sure what his idea of getting a trace on it was. I'm not even positive he sent the money order out in the first place seeing as my PM's to him go unanswered. I asked him to let me know once he sent it, but I never heard from him that it was sent until I inquired.

[kturock]

Sent: Tue May 25, 2010 7:22 pm
by Stonedog
Oh crap.....I sent the MO 10 days ago!

I have been out on business and just had a chance to check my PMs.

I am going to have to run a trace on the MO to see where it is.....gimme 3 days to

get back with you.

Ken

Unless he sent it in a bubble envelope, box, etc., he can't get Delivery Confirmation (they won't put it on regular envlopes).
So, what I want to know is what kind of a "trace" is he putting on it?


Just a bit of explanation, on MM's post.

By bubble envelope, he [MM] means a padded envelope. Thus, the envelope is now a package, not a lettter.

Now, I'm just guessing on this part, but Stonedog could mean he's going to try to find out if the MO has been cashed. Depending on where it was purchased, and who the issuing bank is, he might not be able to find out if it was cashed yet. Most places have at least 14-30 days before anything can be investigated.
Mind you, this is not to imply any wrong-doing on his part. I'd just like to know how he planned to trace it.

Eric

[Ironhide]

That was my thinking. He's tracing the MO, not the letter. Also you might not be able to get DC on a letter, but you can get it sent "certified" or "registered". If money was involved, I would have selected on of the two.

[MagickalMemories]

If that's the case, he should be able to provide the OP with #'s for the various forms (and the M.O. number from his receipt).

Eric

[blackspade]

He is a local guy here around Louisville.
I think I may have a phone # from one of my trade PM's that I have had with him.

[MagickalMemories]

It's just a backout. Not a BTR.
Calling him on the phone about it would be a bit over-the-top, I think. : )

Thanks, though.

Eric

[Stonedog]

There are two sides to every story.

In the middle lies the truth.

Quite frankly I am out of work and have been for over 18 months. I am now looking at a 20K a year pay cut to just go back to work. I am also a single father of two under 6 years old.

When my kids need new tennis shoes they get them.

If you cannot live with that, that is your problem. Not mine.

Flame away!

[Stonedog]

Forgot to add.....

I is cool of Chris to block out all the personal info.

I also would like to add that until 30 days is up, I cannot do anything per our local post master.

[Stonedog]

Wow I am getting old....

Also, it's not like the goods cannot be sold anyway.....I have seen a BUNCH of wants for Malifaux.

Oh well, life continues.....do not expect me to reply anymore to this post...

So if you want to drag my name through the mud....have at it.

[randall3rd]

Everyone has different personal situations, which is fine. A simple response to any one of my PM's saying you can't afford the book, or the usual back out I get is "something came up and I can't buy your items" would have been fine. That way I had some idea of what was going on. Ignoring my messages when I was trying to contact you.... probably not the best way to go about on Bartertown for future reference

[randall3rd]

And of course I can re-sell the items. But you told me you sent a money order. So if I was expecting a money order in the mail, why would I re-sell them unless you contacted me and told me it wasn't coming?

[MagickalMemories]

I think about all has been said on this that can be.
Clearly, Stonedog backed out. It's not necessarily indicative of any bad motives or intent. It just means he backed out.
Randall3rd felt strongly enough about it that he filed a backout.
Sd has come on here and stated his reasons for backing out. R3rd has rebutted.

At this point, only flame wars and unnecessary bashing can come about from leaving this thread open.

Locking to keep my sanity.