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"Rules: I will ship first, however, I reserve the right to cancel the transaction/trade at any point, providing neither party has shipped their model/money."



I saw this statement in a thread,and wondered do a traders personal rules agreed to by both parties,supercede B-town rules???,in this case a "Backout"
I would think the answer is no,but i'm not really sure.
Thoughts??????

I'd add a new part to that if I were to trade with them.

"At earliest convienience you must inform me of your unintention to ship, otherwise I reserve the right to declare a backout"

Basically if they pull their rule without a timely pm, I'm going to post a Backout

It however has been my understanding that the rules of a individual trade do superceed the "rules' of a BT trade if both parties agree it does.
If someone is going to change the rules on my with exceptions, then I get my own

If both parties agree to it, it does. Personally I wouldn't trade with someone with a rule like that.

as Ironhide said.. I wouldn't trade with them.

However, I will support the right of that trader to have that condition and rule. I ALSO think that person will always be shipping first..

Mark your calendars, folks. I can't remember the last time I outright disagreed with Porkuslime... especially so plainly.

On Bartertown, Bartertown's rules are inviolate. His personal rule is an attempt to supercede our rule. That won't work.

Now, don't get me wrong... he CAN have that as a personal rule... If he ever uses it, and someone posts a backout on him, *I* won't support any claims/requests he makes to have it removed.

I can make a personal rule that says I reserve the right not to send my portion of the trade after receiving yours, without returning yours, and not receive a BTR for it. That doesn't mean that's how it'll go down.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that what he's doing is the same as MY example... I'm just making a comparison.

So, yeah... he can HAVE it as a personal rule. If he ever uses it, though, he is still subject to OUR rules... and our rules make him subject to a backout thread.

Eric
(BTW, I do NOT hold that "rule" against said trader. I don't judge him for it... Heck, I don't even recognize the quote to place it with someon, anyway [and, NO, I do NOT want anyone to name him])

MagickalMemories wrote:Mark your calendars, folks. I can't remember the last time I outright disagreed with Porkuslime... especially so plainly.

On Bartertown, Bartertown's rules are inviolate. His personal rule is an attempt to supercede our rule. That won't work.

Now, don't get me wrong... he CAN have that as a personal rule... If he ever uses it, and someone posts a backout on him, *I* won't support any claims/requests he makes to have it removed.

I can make a personal rule that says I reserve the right not to send my portion of the trade after receiving yours, without returning yours, and not receive a BTR for it. That doesn't mean that's how it'll go down.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that what he's doing is the same as MY example... I'm just making a comparison.

So, yeah... he can HAVE it as a personal rule. If he ever uses it, though, he is still subject to OUR rules... and our rules make him subject to a backout thread.

Eric
(BTW, I do NOT hold that "rule" against said trader. I don't judge him for it... Heck, I don't even recognize the quote to place it with someon, anyway [and, NO, I do NOT want anyone to name him])

to re-iterate.. I support someones right to have personal rules.. AND then get nailed by the forum rules. Consequences happen because of that. I support the right of the individual to get nailed for being TFG.

DO I like it personally, nope. Nada, ain't gonna go there. But, I will support his right to want to trade his way with his "personal rules". I will also come down like a ton of bricks on him if there is ever a BTR or Backout on him.

(mental reminder.. don't post under the influence of Nyquill)

-Porkuslime

(Mental reminder... Don't do anything except head for the nearest bed on Nyquil LOL)

So, it sounds like you and I are, pretty much, in agreement on it then.

Dammit, Jim... How are we going to combat these rumors that we're the same person if we keep thinking alike? LOL

Eric

"Rules: I will ship first, however, I reserve the right to cancel the transaction/trade at any point, providing neither party has shipped their model/money."

Overall, it's not a bad rule as long as the conditions he states have not happened. It is also contingent on the fact that he ships first. It also protects him from a "backout", which is where he goes south. Probably not his intention, probably just keeping his options open in case he gets a better deal. He would have to provide me with some good reasons if he canceled, which his personal rule implies that he wouldn't. People with their outrageous personal rules, often go directly to my personal DNT list.

Seems to me that it is a clear attempt at avoiding the "backout" complaints if he gets a better offer after agreeing to make a deal with someone.

Eric

"Rules: I will ship first, however, I reserve the right to cancel the transaction/trade at any point, providing neither party has shipped their model/money."

That's fine, and I reserve the right to open a Backout thread at any time in response to cancellation of an agreed-upon transaction in an untimely fashion.

That is, if we tentatively agree to a deal, and he wants some extra time, I might give him a couple extra days. But once that window passes, he will have been expected to ship. And if he fails to do so, I would open a Backout on his **BUTT**.

**Edited for language. Careful please, John.**

Personally, I think his personal rule, in this case, is valid. I don't think there is a contradiction of rules here at all, in fact. A certain amount of leeway needs to be given for people to even be able to conduct trades. When it comes down to it, it's very personal and happens between the traders in question, bartertown actually has very little to do with the trades at all. That said, trading is not a rule.

He puts out there from the start that that's the way he trades, so if you're ok with it, then by all means, trade with him. No one is forcing you otherwise.

I think I agree with those who say they would just not trade with the guy.

Once I agree with a trade I believe the time for thinking about it are over, you do the trade.

Daniel

Hello,

I have to be quick before the little lady catchs me on here during our honeymoon... But since im bored and the little lady is shopping, nows a great time.

So, ive started a trade with the guy that has the quote ""Rules: I will ship first, however, I reserve the right to cancel the transaction/trade at any point, providing neither party has shipped their model/money.""

Here is the problem. I would not have started the trade if I had seen that. I posted needed baneblade, leman russ and really ANY other tank barrel I can get my hands on.

He replied. His rating was low and he said he would send the bitz first and I would pay when ive returned from my honeymoon. He shipped 20+ days ago and ive got nothing (could possibly be at home but as of friday, nothing). He keeps saying he will scan the slip and he doesnt. He said he called the post office about the slip, and they say its not in thier system. I then asked to have the slip scanned again, which he agreeg to. Still nothing.

Worse part was, he mentioned royal air mail. So I asked yourt in the UK then? he said yes. I asked to confirm about him shipping royal mail since he didnt seem sure thats the method he choose. He then said he ment to say he shipped "my mail" [usps i assume] which really isnt even possible to my knowlege.

Im not looking ro ruin anyone. I just really want/need those bitz for future commissions. I also have the bad feeling doing this will simply mean ill get a neg in retaliation that will taike months to remove.

Im not out anything but time and the serious need for those bitz.

My question is, should I wait for the backout trade post until I get home, or do it now with my freetime? I have all PMs and everything saved. Or should I just drop it and find the bitz elsewhere?

I would look elsewhere for the bits. You have a commission to finish, and no product in hand to finish it. Do you think the person who is waiting on the commission is going to accept this as an excuse?

Ironhide wrote:I would look elsewhere for the bits. You have a commission to finish, and no product in hand to finish it. Do you think the person who is waiting on the commission is going to accept this as an excuse?

No one is waiting on it besides me. Ive pretty much stopped taking new commissions. Once the current commissions are done, ill be selling pre made stuff along with the odd commission.

Now if someone was waiting for the bitz, it would be because A) they wanted to save money and have me trade for the bitz, which happens ALL the time as money is tight everywhere. or B) If they couldnt wait I would tell the client to order it from any one of the online stores.

As for my post, it was a simple question, should I post the backout or drop it?