40K 5th edition rulebook in Battle for Black Reach

npd_bigdaddy · Post by **npd_bigdaddy** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:29 pm

OK, I've looked at a bunch of sites, yet I cannot find any convincing evidence one way or the other if the new Battle for Black Reach box set will contain the mini rulebook, or a full sized rulebook, ala 3rd edition.

I've pretty much read that the 49.99 price for the Battle for Black Reach box set is also out the window, seeing now that it's 60 possibly higher.

My thing is, if the new box set has a full sized rulebook, then I'll just wait and buy the Battle for Black Reach box set whenever it comes out. If it has the mini rulebook, then I might buy the 5th edition book next month.

Does anybody know for sure, or can add any insight?

One way or the other, seeing how good some of those new minis are in the Battle for Black Reach, I"ll be buying at least one box set, if not 2 or 3. I have a very funky feeling that they'll be flying off the shelves and be backordered for quite some time as demand will be high indeed.

Comments?

Erik

Rhaalidor · Post by **Rhaalidor** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:11 pm

I talked a couple of days ago to a Redshirt from Canada, who says that the Canadian version of the new box will cost $85 Canadian. What will that be for the US, with the declining dollar, $70? She said that a mini rulebook will be included, but as with other GW releases, I reckon a "wait and see" attitude is best.

mrrshann618 · Post by **mrrshann618** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:36 pm

There was a debate on Heresy-online a while ago about people "not buying the BfBR ifthe mini rule book was going to be annotated like BfM"

So from that I'm guessing that it is going to contain a mini-book similar to BfM, where there is enough information to get the basics down, but not all the extras. (minefields, bunkers, ect.)

I think I also read something about it on Bell of lost Souls.

mrsuitcasegames · Post by **mrsuitcasegames** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:45 pm

Thought it was worth noting that $85 canadian is about $84 USD. Heres the site that Forgeworld uses for currency conversion (the different companies vary a little)

http://www.xe.com/

I can't attest to what you are asking directly, but $85 better either include more/better models than the Battle For Skull Pass and Battle For Macragge did, or include more supplementary things, which could mean anything from the Hardback rulebook to the tokens and such plus maybe something else unforseen.

Its also worth noting that I've had Canadian trading partners complain about how much more thier stuff costs them than in the states. I had a canadian guy buy me an Eldar codex for me there, and it has a sticker on it that says $35.00. So for all we know, that $85 only means $50 or $60 worth of stuff here. Therefore, it could still be a mini rulebook.

Overall, I agree with rhaalidor, waiting is probably a better idea. But if you ask me, it being a mini rulebook seems likely.

Did that help, or just make it worse?

mrrshann618 · Post by **mrrshann618** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:54 pm

Here is a sneak peak of the models. These are (as of right now) the models that are going to be included and the description of them

http://belloflostsouls.blogspot.com/200 ... minis.html

For the record, the Ultramarine symbol is not molded on, however the tactical symbol is.

Last I heard it was going to be 65-70$

Adunaphel · Post by **Adunaphel** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:02 am

This is the info I saw on Warseer. I have seen some of this stuff on various sites. It looks like the figs listed here will PROBABLY be the ones in the final box.

Also, GW doesn't go by currency conversion. Canada always pays more. Don't know why...

From the rumors, it looks like it will be $60 in the USA. None of this is set in stone, but here is the latest that I have seen:

Due out in September 2008 (You should be able to buy them at UKGD) we have the new 5th edition starter set called 'Assault on for Black Reach'

The two forces will be Ultramarines & Orks; they will not be balanced 40K armies but are designed to teach the fundamentals of 5th edition.

This is part of the box art (the full picture is landscape)

The box set is said to contain the following plastic models, these will all be of the simplified 'snap together' type.

Space Marines
These are rumoured to have sculpted Ultramarine Iconography on them.
Captain - W/Power Sword & Bolter he has hair & a bionic eye
Dreadnought - W/Multi Melta & Close Combat Weapon
5 Man Terminator Squad - Unknown if it has a heavy weapon included.
10 Man Tactical Squad - Will probably have a sgt, heavy & special weapon but details are TBC
Orks
Warboss with a custom shoota & power Klaw
2 x Shoota Boyz Mobz (may also include some big shootas)
1 x Nobz mob said to have slugga & Choppa's
3 x DeathKoptas w/rokkits.
This is a picture of the Warboss & Deathkoptas, thanks to the Da Waaagh forum

Terrain
We have no information on terrain at the moment with rumours ranging from cityfight sprues to a couple of basic barricades.
Given the emphasis on cover in the new edition none would be a surprise.

Other information
There WILL be a mini rulebook included with the exact same rules as the hardback but none of the background or hobby information.

The new GW laser pointer was rumoured to be included at some point but this appears not to be the case as it is available separately.

Sorry, the pictures didn't transfer. You can check the 40K rumors on Warseer to see the pics.

Karl

Rhaalidor · Post by **Rhaalidor** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:50 am

Canada pays more because the US tends to buy around 9 times more product than Canada. We get lower prices because of volume. My redshirt friend noted this also, but suggested that our great American prices will probably go up in the near future.

npd_bigdaddy · Post by **npd_bigdaddy** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:38 am

Well if it contains a mini rulebook with COMPLETE rules, then I will just buy that..........I dont need to spend 45 bucks for all the frilly pictures and painting techniques and whatnot. All I'm interested in is the rules.

I bought the 4th edition rulebook and never looked past the rules after my first read. Yeah, the pictures are pretty, but who cares?? The rules are by far the meat and potatoes.

Erik

Adunaphel · Post by **Adunaphel** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:51 am

The only thing that you might want to keep in mind is that there is one rumor that says the "mini-rulebook" in the Black Reach box will JUST have rules that pertain to the figures in the box. Meaning, there won't be a full ruleset in it.

I have no idea if this is true, but you might want to be sure.

Karl

npd_bigdaddy · Post by **npd_bigdaddy** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:18 am

I guess time will tell, and it will probably be more clear once the rulebook is released in July. One way or the other, I won't be burning down the house to rush out and get it as I only get to play 2 times a month anyway.

To me it makes sense that they'd put in complete rules, like Battle of McCragge, or just a full rulebook like 3rd edition. Who knows

Yes, and Bell of Lost Souls, or whatever that website is, is a treasure trove of information. I love that site

Erik

mrrshann618 · Post by **mrrshann618** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:26 am

Chances are, at least for my small playgroup, We will all get the really neato boxed set, swap bits around so everyone is happy. Everyone will have a pocket guide. And 2 of our 8ish group will have the big tome for all the extra rules, like the ones that hid in the "special" scenarios, and all the scenarios and such. I do like the pics, it sometimes helps me get an Idea on how to paint things, or which areas clash nicely on a model, before I begin to paint them.

don_mondo · Post by **don_mondo** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:51 pm

Drawback on waiting is the extra two months before they release the box set. Hardback in July, box set mid-Sep.................

npd_bigdaddy · Post by **npd_bigdaddy** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:32 pm

don_mondo wrote:Drawback on waiting is the extra two months before they release the box set. Hardback in July, box set mid-Sep.................

And I'm sure they're doing that for just that very reason, to entice people to rush out and buy that shiny new rulebook when they can wait a few months and get the whole kit and kaboodle........

Good marketing strategy I guess if you think about it

Erik

Trader Xi · Post by **Trader Xi** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:37 pm

Here's the latest rumor from my neck of the woods:

RUMOR: BfBR rules will only be enough for the BfBR box.

REASON behind rumor: GW lost mad money since BfSP and BfMC had the abridged rulesets and so many people decided that the little books were good enough.

Thats a rumor that has its kernel of truth, since everyone knows someone who decided that the little books were good enough. I bought BfMC and my 4th Edition book the same day.

( 832 ) · Post by **MagickalMemories** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:47 pm

Bah.
That rumor sounds like rubbish to me.

I won't believe it until I see it.

Anyone who thinks GW loses money on any of their items is crazy.

Sure, as a company they're losing $$. That, however, has to do with their management and NOT the profit margins on ANY of their products.

....except, possibly, LOTR. I don't know how well it does on the profitability per item scale.

Eric