Are people mistaking Value vs Truth of Description?
Something similar happened to me a couple of weeks ago, I asked about it here and the majority of the people disagreed with me. maybe I am wrong again but I would like to run a scenario I am currently in past you.
My Trade partner (MTP) made a list of items for sale. Before even making an offer I asked if his stuff was current or not. He edited his post and PM'd me that it was all current except for a few specific items. he listed items that were not current.
We went ahead and agreed on a trade. During the shipping phase he stated he added in a couple extra models I did not ask for. His stuff was being sent in two packages.
When I got package #1 I opened it and found the army book was not current. This was not one of the items he stated as being not current.
Now he is claiming that the "value" of the extra models he added makes up for the out of date army book. I really don't want the extra models. I can't use them and the point of the matter is it's not what I was told I was trading for.
In your opinion does the models he added, before I even knew there was a problem, make up for misleading me into trading for something I don't want.
To me more of what I don't want does not make up for not getting what I was told I was getting.
Misrepresenting VS Adding Models
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kbolster12345 ( 350 )
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Misrepresenting VS Adding Models
If I don't get what I think I am getting you will be sending me money for me to ship it back to you. So be very certain I know what I am getting.
Also more of what I don't want doesn't make up for not getting what I agreed upon.
Either will result in negative feedback, posting of our records in the appropriate section of bartertown, and possible mailfruad. Otherwise don't trade with me.
Also more of what I don't want doesn't make up for not getting what I agreed upon.
Either will result in negative feedback, posting of our records in the appropriate section of bartertown, and possible mailfruad. Otherwise don't trade with me.
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Warmonger ( 170 )
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No, it doesn't make up for anything. He threw those in before you knew there was anything wrong, thus they are freebies. As in free, no cost, no value. An out of date army book/codex/old rules of any type has a distinct value of zero (0) in my book, and I'm sure in many other peoples books as well.
Insert pithy quip here.
I would agree with Warmonger. I have had trades that have been agreed upon only to find that i have misrepresented something. This is accidental. I have then contacted the trade partnet and informed them. I will then ask if I can add soemthing in order to offset the mistake or if we need to make other arangments.
I figure it was my mistake but they are entitled to be satisfied. This normally works quite well but even if MTP asked for his/her stuff back or a refund I feel that they would be in the right as it was my mistake.
I feel that to add something on to cover for something left out does not take into account that the trade partner might not value the additional things as much and might not need/want them at all.
Gub
I figure it was my mistake but they are entitled to be satisfied. This normally works quite well but even if MTP asked for his/her stuff back or a refund I feel that they would be in the right as it was my mistake.
I feel that to add something on to cover for something left out does not take into account that the trade partner might not value the additional things as much and might not need/want them at all.
Gub
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Unless your rating is comparable to mine I request that you ship first unless we discuss other options.
Unless your rating is comparable to mine I request that you ship first unless we discuss other options.
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SteveBerenyi ( 228 )
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I agree with warmonger.
My current projects:
http://dilusionsofgrandeur.blogspot.com/
Cryx: 50 Points
Trollbloods: 50 Points
Salamanders: 2500 Points
Biker Marines: 2500 Points
http://dilusionsofgrandeur.blogspot.com/
Cryx: 50 Points
Trollbloods: 50 Points
Salamanders: 2500 Points
Biker Marines: 2500 Points
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munkey joe paints ( 190 )
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GRRRRRRR
OHHHH The "I added stuff to make up the difference" trick? I did some trades with a guy like that once. Same situation, he made a trade and when it got here, not what was agreed upon. The FIRST time it worked out in my favor as I needed the extra models for another contract. The next time I got crap, unexpectedly again, and put him on my " trade or sell ONLY if eating Ramen and mustard sandwiches" list. It fires me up and Im glad to see that I am not the only one.
To reply to the topic and stop my rant "NO" it is not right or fair.
Tommy
To reply to the topic and stop my rant "NO" it is not right or fair.
Tommy
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ancientsociety ( 842 )
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Re: GRRRRRRR
munkey joe paints wrote:...put him on my " trade or sell ONLY if eating Ramen and mustard sandwiches" list.
I think I'l change the title of mine to that...I agree with everyone else
Trading Guidelines:
1. Lower rating ships first - even if I am purchasing.
2. If you agree to buy something, you have 72hrs. in which to pay. If payment is not received in 72hrs., I will automatically post a Non-Payment/Backout thread.
3. Refs are left upon positive receipt of goods, NEVER beforehand!
4. I accept Paypal & USPS money orders and charge for shipping AT COST. I make no profit from it.
5. I trade NIB/new models at retail.
1. Lower rating ships first - even if I am purchasing.
2. If you agree to buy something, you have 72hrs. in which to pay. If payment is not received in 72hrs., I will automatically post a Non-Payment/Backout thread.
3. Refs are left upon positive receipt of goods, NEVER beforehand!
4. I accept Paypal & USPS money orders and charge for shipping AT COST. I make no profit from it.
5. I trade NIB/new models at retail.
Agree with everyone 100% with the caveat that I have been known to add extras to a trade if I inconvenienced the other party. For example, if I didn't send my end within 48 hours I geneerally try to add a few extra tidbits. Nothing substantial, but enough to make uo for the possible hard feelings they may have started to feel.
Extras are just that. They do not make up for items that were misrepresented.
Extras are just that. They do not make up for items that were misrepresented.
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kbolster12345 ( 350 )
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Phew. I am glad everyone agrees.
Would you say it fair for me to ask for one of these three things...
The book
The money for the book
Or all of my stuff back
Really it's a small part of an Army for Army trade but I can't play the army he sent me with out the book. I would actually say its one of the most important pieces of the trade.
Would you say it fair for me to ask for one of these three things...
The book
The money for the book
Or all of my stuff back
Really it's a small part of an Army for Army trade but I can't play the army he sent me with out the book. I would actually say its one of the most important pieces of the trade.
If I don't get what I think I am getting you will be sending me money for me to ship it back to you. So be very certain I know what I am getting.
Also more of what I don't want doesn't make up for not getting what I agreed upon.
Either will result in negative feedback, posting of our records in the appropriate section of bartertown, and possible mailfruad. Otherwise don't trade with me.
Also more of what I don't want doesn't make up for not getting what I agreed upon.
Either will result in negative feedback, posting of our records in the appropriate section of bartertown, and possible mailfruad. Otherwise don't trade with me.
Weighing in
If this is the same deal from the other thread you started, you did not ask, per that thread, version, you asked condition.
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SteveBerenyi ( 228 )
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Demand back.
My current projects:
http://dilusionsofgrandeur.blogspot.com/
Cryx: 50 Points
Trollbloods: 50 Points
Salamanders: 2500 Points
Biker Marines: 2500 Points
http://dilusionsofgrandeur.blogspot.com/
Cryx: 50 Points
Trollbloods: 50 Points
Salamanders: 2500 Points
Biker Marines: 2500 Points
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kbolster12345 ( 350 )
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@ MOKmike Nope this isn't the same instance. Imagine my annoyance when something so similar happens after I make sure to ask the exact edition.
If I don't get what I think I am getting you will be sending me money for me to ship it back to you. So be very certain I know what I am getting.
Also more of what I don't want doesn't make up for not getting what I agreed upon.
Either will result in negative feedback, posting of our records in the appropriate section of bartertown, and possible mailfruad. Otherwise don't trade with me.
Also more of what I don't want doesn't make up for not getting what I agreed upon.
Either will result in negative feedback, posting of our records in the appropriate section of bartertown, and possible mailfruad. Otherwise don't trade with me.
in that case
I would just send his stuff back and demand yours.
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kbolster12345 ( 350 )
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MTP has agreed to send me $20 so that I may purchase the book I was expecting. Largely due to the help and responses from people here. I appreciate the help and thank everyone.
Thank you again.
Thank you again.
If I don't get what I think I am getting you will be sending me money for me to ship it back to you. So be very certain I know what I am getting.
Also more of what I don't want doesn't make up for not getting what I agreed upon.
Either will result in negative feedback, posting of our records in the appropriate section of bartertown, and possible mailfruad. Otherwise don't trade with me.
Also more of what I don't want doesn't make up for not getting what I agreed upon.
Either will result in negative feedback, posting of our records in the appropriate section of bartertown, and possible mailfruad. Otherwise don't trade with me.
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kbolster12345 ( 350 )
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I am going to have to move this over to the Bad Trader Forum if he doesn't send my stuff. I just opened the second package and much of it was painted and was described as being assembled or in the assembled phase and current. The stuff I got has many plastics poorly and thickly painted.
If I don't get what I think I am getting you will be sending me money for me to ship it back to you. So be very certain I know what I am getting.
Also more of what I don't want doesn't make up for not getting what I agreed upon.
Either will result in negative feedback, posting of our records in the appropriate section of bartertown, and possible mailfruad. Otherwise don't trade with me.
Also more of what I don't want doesn't make up for not getting what I agreed upon.
Either will result in negative feedback, posting of our records in the appropriate section of bartertown, and possible mailfruad. Otherwise don't trade with me.
2nd package from the same guy? Man, not only did he step on his ding dong, he flat out threw it on the ground and stomped it.
Edition- Rogue Trader era, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Condition- NIB, Bare metal/ plastic, assembled/ unassembled, primed, painted, broken, missing parts...
I can't believe people really have a hard time looking at their stuff and typing in the answer... It's pretty self explanatory. If the description does not match the item, it's his problem and his responsibility to fix it.
Edition- Rogue Trader era, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Condition- NIB, Bare metal/ plastic, assembled/ unassembled, primed, painted, broken, missing parts...
I can't believe people really have a hard time looking at their stuff and typing in the answer... It's pretty self explanatory. If the description does not match the item, it's his problem and his responsibility to fix it.