Help w/ Bad Deal (long)
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:47 pm
I need some people's opinions on a situation that I am facing. I am looking for people's honest opinions of how they would handle this situation. Thank you in advance.
Quick overview to bring people up to date. I traded a High Elf army to have an Ogre Army painted for me. To save on shipping I shipped both armies at the same time. Needless to say the project was not finished and due to private issues the painter backed out of the deal. He sent back the Ogre Army but did not send the High Elves. Now he claims that he can't find the High Elf army and is offering $150 instead. An list of the lost items can be found in the emails below.
IMO this is not nearly enough money to replace the value of the lost figures. Here is a list of the lost army and our latest volley of emails...
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From: Ken Ott [mailto:ken@darkfallsstudio.com]
Sent: Thu 1/4/2007 4:06 AM
To: Kevin Bolster
Subject: Hey Kevin
Hey Kevin,
I've seen BT down most of the last two days for me getting to it. So I'm
not sure how else to get at you but email.
I've not located your High Elves, I'm awaiting responses from 2 trades
to see if they got mixed up in there.
As of right now I'm planning on sending you 150$ on the 18th of Jan.
unless I open up another box somewhere in the house when I clean up the
last of my wives stuff and it's there....doubtful now, but 100-150$
seemed fair, you can tell me if its' not and we can work on it?
-Ken
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My Response
Ken,
Well before we agree to anything how did you come up with $150? That seems a bit low.
Kevin
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From: Ken Ott [mailto:ken@darkfallsstudio.com]
Sent: Thu 1/4/2007 11:36 PM
To: Kevin Bolster
Subject: RE: Hey Kevin
I went to my LGS that deals exclusively with GW and asked them to price
out the list they actually quoted it at only 80$ I felt that was low and
looked at budget and felt 150$ was fair price for the older version of
the models. If you felt that they are worth more than I will be open to
listening and working something out.
-Ken
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My Response Sent to him this morning 1/5/2007
Ken,
The way I see it is that if your store can replace the items for $80 then please replace the army and send it to me. I will even pay for shipping. Otherwise please see my point of view below.
For me to replace what you lost it would cost well over $450 retail. *Please see the list that includes current prices to replace what YOU lost.* I would like to point out that the 37 current edition bowmen are worth more than your LGS's estimation alone. I have noted the OOP items and I am willing to discount their price. I think 40% is resonable. I will include the 40% discount price at the between the * in the list below. I did estimate the cost of the LE Standard based on the asking prices of other LE standard Bearers. So that point is debatable. Even with discounted prices for the OOP stuff I still get a totall over $370.
1 Lord on Griffon $45 (oop) *$27*
Elf Hero White Lion $12 (oop) *$7.2*
Elf Hero $12 (oop) *7.2*
LE Standard Bearer $40
24 Spearmen $52.5
37 Bowmen $81
12 Swordsmen of Hoth $50
8 silver hlems $35
2 Metal Bolt Throwers $40 (oop) *$24*
1 Chariot $30
7 5th ed Shadow Warriors $28 (oop) *16.8*
Grand Total: $370 and change
Quick overview to bring people up to date. I traded a High Elf army to have an Ogre Army painted for me. To save on shipping I shipped both armies at the same time. Needless to say the project was not finished and due to private issues the painter backed out of the deal. He sent back the Ogre Army but did not send the High Elves. Now he claims that he can't find the High Elf army and is offering $150 instead. An list of the lost items can be found in the emails below.
IMO this is not nearly enough money to replace the value of the lost figures. Here is a list of the lost army and our latest volley of emails...
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From: Ken Ott [mailto:ken@darkfallsstudio.com]
Sent: Thu 1/4/2007 4:06 AM
To: Kevin Bolster
Subject: Hey Kevin
Hey Kevin,
I've seen BT down most of the last two days for me getting to it. So I'm
not sure how else to get at you but email.
I've not located your High Elves, I'm awaiting responses from 2 trades
to see if they got mixed up in there.
As of right now I'm planning on sending you 150$ on the 18th of Jan.
unless I open up another box somewhere in the house when I clean up the
last of my wives stuff and it's there....doubtful now, but 100-150$
seemed fair, you can tell me if its' not and we can work on it?
-Ken
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My Response
Ken,
Well before we agree to anything how did you come up with $150? That seems a bit low.
Kevin
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From: Ken Ott [mailto:ken@darkfallsstudio.com]
Sent: Thu 1/4/2007 11:36 PM
To: Kevin Bolster
Subject: RE: Hey Kevin
I went to my LGS that deals exclusively with GW and asked them to price
out the list they actually quoted it at only 80$ I felt that was low and
looked at budget and felt 150$ was fair price for the older version of
the models. If you felt that they are worth more than I will be open to
listening and working something out.
-Ken
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My Response Sent to him this morning 1/5/2007
Ken,
The way I see it is that if your store can replace the items for $80 then please replace the army and send it to me. I will even pay for shipping. Otherwise please see my point of view below.
For me to replace what you lost it would cost well over $450 retail. *Please see the list that includes current prices to replace what YOU lost.* I would like to point out that the 37 current edition bowmen are worth more than your LGS's estimation alone. I have noted the OOP items and I am willing to discount their price. I think 40% is resonable. I will include the 40% discount price at the between the * in the list below. I did estimate the cost of the LE Standard based on the asking prices of other LE standard Bearers. So that point is debatable. Even with discounted prices for the OOP stuff I still get a totall over $370.
1 Lord on Griffon $45 (oop) *$27*
Elf Hero White Lion $12 (oop) *$7.2*
Elf Hero $12 (oop) *7.2*
LE Standard Bearer $40
24 Spearmen $52.5
37 Bowmen $81
12 Swordsmen of Hoth $50
8 silver hlems $35
2 Metal Bolt Throwers $40 (oop) *$24*
1 Chariot $30
7 5th ed Shadow Warriors $28 (oop) *16.8*
Grand Total: $370 and change
