Trade and Sale pricing

[spiralingcadaver]

Heres another guy with a mighty 18 rating who wants you to send him $600. LMAO.

His words from his ad-
-I don't care if your rating is higher than mine you have to pay first through Paypal and after the money transferrs I'll mail out the package confirmed priority shipping.

Not as offensive, b/c paypal protects you in theory, but still...

[starslayer]

Does anyone really want to go through the extreme hassle of opening a PayPal dispute? ? Plus if he takes out all the cash & removes his bank info PayPal wont do anything.

[MagickalMemories]

As much as I know I'll never conduct a trade with the guy, and how few WISE traders will trade with him, and as much ridicule as I know he'll get...
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He's allowed to set his own rules/requirements.

I always wonder just how well low rated traders with these unrealistic expectations do, though.


Eric

[starslayer]

Oh I agree, he's free to have any rules he wants. and I m free to laugh at those rules and put him on my "do not trade" list.

[spiralingcadaver]

Does anyone really want to go through the extreme hassle of opening a PayPal dispute? ? Plus if he takes out all the cash & removes his bank info PayPal wont do anything.

I've gotten cash back on occasion, however, apparently paypal doesn't protect against electronic fraud, which is hypocritical at best.

[MagickalMemories]

Oh I agree, he's free to have any rules he wants. and I m free to laugh at those rules and put him on my "do not trade" list.

Well, duh.
Can't say I'd blame you, either.


To be honest, I'm surprised that you read that far into his "rules." As soon as I see something like, "It doesn't matter how many references you have..." I'm out. I just close the ad and go on my merry way.


Eric

[porkuslime]

Yeah..

I been in that spot occasionally..

People seem to think that cash/paypal is different from swapping models..

More power to them, and good luck with trading. Their rules, so I respect that.

The occasional person who inquires about my rating still makes me chuckle.. they don't understand the 4 digit number IS my rating..

[Ironhide]

Personally, when I am selling models, my rule is that the buyer must pay shipping first; regardless of rating. My shipping costs always include insurance and delivery confirmation.

[s_o_r_r_o_w]

Personally, when I am selling models, my rule is that the buyer must pay shipping first; regardless of rating. My shipping costs always include insurance and delivery confirmation.

This is something I will tend to offer, if shipping first is a sticking point, because I can understand that being out of pocket for shipping is a PITA.

But I don't pay for shipping AND eat the PayPal fees.

[kturock]

Why don't you pay for paypal fees? Before Paypal, you had to buy a money order, you paid the fee then. You pay the fee for certified or bank checks, or even personal checks. [you have to buy them even if it's only a couple cents each.]

You choose the payment method, you pay the fee for it.

[Ironhide]

Well, if you just keep a paypal balance; you don't have to pay fees.

[spiralingcadaver]

Add to the list, both ends of the painting spectrum: people who want huge amounts extra for their decent paint job (this custom chapter veteran sergeant should be worth $40 to you" (regardless of the fact that, even if it were in standard colors, it isn't that great of a job)), and the occasional "Okay, I have an army I want a week turnaround and to pay no more than $1/mini for above tabletop."

There are occasional fantastic paint jobs that warrant the prices people are asking, but there are even more rarely paint jobs fast enough to charge that little, short of "it's red, deal with it."

[MagickalMemories]

Yeah..
The occasional person who inquires about my rating still makes me chuckle.. they don't understand the 4 digit number IS my rating..

Well, to be fair, four digits IS a bit rare here (read: unique, at the moment). So, I can imagine that they might wonder if it's a typo. LOL

Personally, when I am selling models, my rule is that the buyer must pay shipping first; regardless of rating. My shipping costs always include insurance and delivery confirmation.

But you (a) have a rating that is currently pushing 100 and (b) are a staff member. It's easier for people to trust you than some guy is a 6 rating (no offense to anyone with a 6 rating who asks others to pay first. I pulled that number "out of thin air" and am thinking of no one in particular).
I know that it's against rules for staff to use their position here as leverage for a better offer or terms IN ANY WAY in a trade, so I'm not suggesting that you should or do use it as such. That doesn't mean that OTHERS who see it won't be influenced through no fault of your own; "Oh. I can trust this guy. He's a Moderator."
Take away your staff position and about 40 of your trades, and you'll see a HUGE difference in people who are willing to pay in advance.

Add to the list, both ends of the painting spectrum: people who want huge amounts extra for their decent paint job (this custom chapter veteran sergeant should be worth $40 to you" (regardless of the fact that, even if it were in standard colors, it isn't that great of a job)...

Now, barring the "it isn't that great of a job" part, I tend to think that many people here arbitrarily p'shaw at ALL painted models with no concern for how well painted they are. Even people buying painted Ultras to add into an Ultra army will throw around the "Even if it's painted Ultramarine, it won't match my paint job" line for a better deal.
Humph.
I think SOME paint jobs are worth paying for.

Eric

[spiralingcadaver]

Now, barring the "it isn't that great of a job" part, I tend to think that many people here arbitrarily p'shaw at ALL painted models with no concern for how well painted they are. Even people buying painted Ultras to add into an Ultra army will throw around the "Even if it's painted Ultramarine, it won't match my paint job" line for a better deal.
Humph.
I think SOME paint jobs are worth paying for.

I totally agree that some paint jobs are worth it. However,
1- people tend to overvalue their own work
2- people tend to undervalue others' work*

This generally means that painted stuff just doesn't move. Personally, I spend a bunch of time on my minis, and generally expect that I don't have the free capital to commission stuff to match my scheme (when time is less valuable than money), but Ultramarines, if they're using the same blue, should look close enough that people who casually paint them should be able to get more that match well enough.

* I had some guy at the FLGS bragging about how "Nobody's doing what I'm doing!" ...referring to drybrushing and inking?

[dreamsinsleep]

One thing that I have seen a lot, and it's not that big of a deal but it really makes me wonder sometimes when people want to trade away their broken/horribly painted/horribly stripped/incomplete..... or whatever kind of models and will only accept NIB, NOS, not painted, not primered models. and they expect a even trade..... sorry but I dont want your busted crap for my new stuff. Sometimes people are willing to trade in favor, but sometimes it just doesnt make any sense to take on someone elses crap for perfectly good models... even if theres a good deal.