40k 6th edition "leaked" thoughts?

[IraShaine1972]

So....who has seen this 129 page doc and its accompanying 36 page codex FAQ?

Seems like the verdict is still out on whether its for real or not. If it is a hoax then there is an absurd amount of work that went into it. After reading it I know that if this is the direction the new rules will take and if the idea behind it is to create a core set of rules for the long term and drop the regular cycle to focus more on miniature production then I am all for that. Looks like it would be a fun set of rules to play and would bring me back into 40k some. If they are a hoax then oh well.

[Norseman]

I have been thinking about it a lot.

I have come to the conclusion that it's real; any other explanation just doesn't make sense.

The exact same thing happened before 5th in the exact same format. Most of us all have short memories. This is just how they do stuff. Release what they are working on to gauge public opinion and get all the geeks to proofread and pick out any GLARING mistakes they have made before it goes to print. It's cheap and extremely fast.

New units are mentioned that no one else would have had knowledge of. (Some may argue that you can adjust the date stamp) I counter that the rules are to fluid and large to have done in the time in between Necron release and leak date.

They are too good, balanced, and well put together for a fandex.

GW is commenting. They have ignored every other fake leak.

The new team mechanics "reak" of GW.

The New mechanics fix most of the problems people have had with 4th and 5th.


The only chink in my armor of my opinion is this. A GW staffer or consultant made these up "on spec", because he didn't like the way that GW was going with THEIR new 6th ed. He was rebuffed when he submitted his version, and figured he would show them...and released it.
If it aint the real thing (which I seriously doubt). GW will have a SERIOUS problem to meet or beat the quality. There will proabably be a major exodus from people using GW rules and using these instead.

[IraShaine1972]

Mainly the point you made that sprung to my mind right away once a saw mention, and stats of things like the Tesla Cannon and a published date stamp from May I could not see how these rules could have been so completely done in 2 months. No way especially given that they seem to be pretty overall developed and encapsulate everything and really there is just to much 5th edition still in it. Frankly I think a fanbased set of rules would have gone farther to make changes than these rules did. After looking them over myself they seem at the core more or less the same.

It also seems laid out in slightly more of a reference format. If these rumors prove correct there is an introductory booklet coming as well? Something like that. Sorta like how Battletech is set up. And introductory book with the starter box and the main core book separately. Probably something as massive as Fantasy and that would bring both games in line as both sets of rules are intended to break the core rules re-write cycle and more or less double the lifespan of the core books. From there on it will all be about model making and expansions.

If they go this way it will do allot to attract me back to 40k. I could even tolerate finecast to give these rules some play. So far it seems net response has been about 90% outstanding and the comments I have read in the negative are from people that just dont want to get their hopes up that GW might really be changing their game design philosophy.

Ya know its funny I have been playing Warhammre FB and 40k since the beginning (80s) and I have always felt that the game while unrefined was at its most creative dynamic. Most imaginative even as far as a game goes. Playing and thinking about playing almost made me giddy inside (truth). After reading these rules and even after FB8th and Storm of Magic where it seems some of the restraints have been pulled and more craziness added it could be like the last 15 years or so have been a long put to rest financial experiment and we could be getting back to what made these games great. What made this company great. Maybe they realize that those of us that have grown up and even old with this hobby might have some money to spend still. Whatever the motivations its definitely a step in the right direction and would go along ways to get an old timer like me re interested.

[Gaijin18]

the movement seems abit much to me,shall have to reread it a few times but thats the first thing that pops out at me.

[IraShaine1972]

They more or less made movement function more like it does in FB. Given that they took mechanics from War of the RIng and used them in FB implementing certain mechanics from FB into 40k doesn't seem a stretch. Actually this movement is more like 1st edition IIRC. Or is it a bit much because some units seem to move faster? If information is accurate and people are playing 2000 point games in as little as 1.5 hours then that would make allot of sense. Especially given that some things have been streamlined such as CC and new shooty abilities like multi-targeting I think that you could see the game go much faster.

Take a look at the design philosophy of Black Powder written a couple of years ago by Jervis and Rick Priestly. Same ideas there. I see ALLOT of the design philosophy of Jervis and Alessio and Rick in these rules and if the date is correct this was developed at a time when Jervis and Rick were still at GW. A last hurah of the old guard? Or maybe a realization that not only are these guys the grandfathers of modern miniature wargaming but masters of game design.

Who knows for sure at this point but all I know is that I have been playing the stuff these guys have written for years and there is the stench of their ideas all over this. Frankly I think of this as a long overdue overthrowing of the direction Andy Chambers took the game. His philosophy of game design was far to abstract and he was far to concerned with what is and is not"realistic" in miniature wargaming.

[MagickalMemories]

I think that we'll end up realizing that they're legit with an asterisk.

The asterisk would be that they truly ARE an older, playtest version of the rules; one that was near the completion stage, but not quite. I suspect that the rules in the actual 6e Rule Book will be different from these in small ways.

Eric

[IraShaine1972]

The whole point might be to change what needs to be changed while there is time to do so. There are a few things I thought were a little clunky but nothing that I couldn't live with.

[spiralingcadaver]

lots of thoughts...

I don't think I could have said it better, regarding veracity.

Regarding the rules, it they seem very good, and like probably GW saw all of these new companies and their tight rules succeeding, and realized that maybe they couldn't rely on really nice models and alienating their fanbase, so, this looks like it will do a nice job with the game.

Having started in 3rd (fun, with problems), played a little 2nd (was too confused, possibly too young/inexperienced), played 4th (mostly like the end of 3rd's revisions, with some frustrating stuff), looked at 5th (and decided it was seriously time for a break), "6th" looks like it would be the most dynamic but playable rules set I've seen from them.

Short of their still less-than-great interaction w/ consumers, this looks like a good, positive shift.

[Gaijin18]

If 40k is swinging more towards the way fantasy runs,it might be a good change,as I for one ,having finally taken to the plunge into it,love the way it runs,in some ones it is more enjoyable than 40k,it seems to be more strategic ,however they are different games and what works for one might not really work for the other.

My comment on the proposed movement was that it seems that there will be a lot more 1st turn assaults,,,which if is the case to me seems that it would lead to the growing trend in cheese armies instead of well balanced,fun to run and play against forces

As to GW listening to its customers,,,meh I gave up on that LONG ago,,I love 40k and fantasy,but hate GW


One thing I do not understand,perhaps I missed something in reading over this but how would the evade work? how do you figure out what value that is?

[Norseman]

It was based on Size and movement (pg70)

Base is 3

-1 Target is massive
-1 Target has remained stationary
+1 Target has Jink and has moved
+1 Target unit is a Swarm

Flyers are always 6

Point blank range
if the squad leader is within 12" of the target you can't get over a 3.

I am sure that there will be a few other additions to this list but as written so far this is it.

Love the squad leader rules.

[kturock]

After reading the 1st half and scanning the rest, it looks lke it's apoc combined with a refined 40k.
The rules for titans and such are right there. Same for flyers.

Overwatch is back.
More rules for moving & shooting.

Adding movement & size of target to shooting rules have beeen in lots of other minis games. Battletech had target movement speed/distance back in the 80's.

Screening units with 'fodder' goes back to early rules; 40k & fantasy.

Shooting by/through/around screening units is somewhat new.

I like that things & races move at different speeds again. Somewhat less vanilla than last/current editions.

Some things more explained in the rules, that faq's answered, [sometimes poorly]; like emergancy disembarking and disembarking while surrounded.

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[starslayer]

Are they going to have another "assault on black reach" type set? Who will be the two armies? any info?

[spiralingcadaver]

Are they going to have another "assault on black reach" type set? Who will be the two armies? any info?

Rumor is, two separate halves, with Black Legion and either Dark Angels or Eldar (conflicting rumors)

[kturock]

Are they going to have another "assault on black reach" type set? Who will be the two armies? any info?

Rumor is, two separate halves, with Black Legion and either Dark Angels or Eldar (conflicting rumors)

I'd bet on DA, since I can't remember a set not have SM and SM are the poster [favorite] children of GW.

[spiralingcadaver]

However, every previous starter set has been one power armor and one alien...