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Post by IraShaine1972 » Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:18 am

Adunaphel wrote:Do you oversee his trades here? Maybe I wasn't clear about my point. I am the ONLY person who trades here. Sometimes I will trade for stuff for my wife or son, but I do the trading.

I would guess that is how you are going to have to do it until your son can get off on his own or get his own connection.

As for letting friends or roommates or neighbors access to your accounts on Bartertown, I think you are asking for big trouble. But, that's just me.

BTW, I am glad to see a little closure over one BTR. The HumanusImperialis thread has had me scratching my head for a while. Good to see that that case is closed... Of a sort.

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No he isnt even on here so its really not an issue and what stuff he has moved online has pretty much only been through e-bay. Most likely any trades he may want to do I would have handled them for him anyway but only because I have the experience that he does not. So at the moment its not even an issue. The only thing I was curious about was not someone else using my account but rather someone in my house setting up their own individual account. Because then all of the accounts would fall under the same IP simply because we all use the same connection simply because we can sonnect 12 computers to one connection. And when I talk about my son I am not refering to a young child he has his own full time job and so on.

The main thing that made this thread jump out at me is multiple accounts falling under one IP and thus looking suspicious is something I never would have considered and could have lead to me being banned from b-town. And like I said also we already do it on plenty of other phpbb based forums just because he is as much of an enthusiast as I am and pretty much his own person now. Yes I am that old.

Maybe I am just making much ado about nothing. :)

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Post by starslayer » Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:21 am

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Post by Ironhide » Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:36 am

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No mention of IP addresses. Though I might live out in the middle of Nowhere, I do stay aware of Teh InterWebs and emergent technologies. You wanna run hot with wireless routers on FIOS with DHCP and proxies? Cool, go for it and have fun. The only thing I care about is whether or not 1 person has multiple accounts, or one account has multiple people.
@Ira: So that would tell me that you can have multiple accounts under one IP. Just make sure it's not one person with all of those accounts. You don't have to do what Adunaphel does, he's just following the safe route.
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Post by IraShaine1972 » Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:40 am

I am just curious as to how the admins could tell the difference. To them wouldnt it look "fishy"?

Of course I am just a straight up trader and poster and having more than one account wouldnt even cross my mind. More interested in this topic than anything else.

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Post by Ironhide » Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:58 am

Most likely, they would ask them and keep them under observation to see if they are up to no good. If nothing fishy or untowards is going on then the mods would most likely leave them alone.
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Post by Adunaphel » Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:00 am

I think you would need to talk directly to Gilliganrandir (Lin). Just to show how little I know about the internet, how do you get a different IP? Obviously, setting up your son's own email is simple enough, but how do you do his own IP. Do you expressly have to purchase a different Internet Povider plan for him? Or is there another way?

I don't know if I have taken the safe way. My wife leaves all of this to me. She will look over my shoulder on trades that involve things for her, but I get final say (like in everything else :lol: ). My son is not old enough, and even older I would probably still take care of it. But, I could see a time where I very well could be in the same position as IraShaine...

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Post by Ironhide » Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:12 am

Just to show how little I know about the internet, how do you get a different IP? Obviously, setting up your son's own email is simple enough, but how do you do his own IP. Do you expressly have to purchase a different Internet Povider plan for him? Or is there another way?
@ Adunaphel: Most Internet providers assign one IP address per household unless you specifically ask for more than one, but then you have to pay an additional fee. There are ways to disguise your IP address though. You can mask it, use a proxy server, use an IP that doesn't give away your IP address, and there are also several security programs out there that hide it also.
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Post by IraShaine1972 » Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:54 am

Ironhide wrote:
Just to show how little I know about the internet, how do you get a different IP? Obviously, setting up your son's own email is simple enough, but how do you do his own IP. Do you expressly have to purchase a different Internet Povider plan for him? Or is there another way?
@ Adunaphel: Most Internet providers assign one IP address per household unless you specifically ask for more than one, but then you have to pay an additional fee. There are ways to disguise your IP address though. You can mask it, use a proxy server, use an IP that doesn't give away your IP address, and there are also several security programs out there that hide it also.
Pretty much we are hardcore techno geeks. Been online since there was an online. We always use the latest technology. So for me right now owning multiple computers and having a home wireless router (that can serve multiple systems under one IP) is pretty much the thing to do. In fact I mock those that still use less (in my own little way :-D :-D ) thats just us. But ya gotta realize I was raised by computer geeks and we are all that over 20+ years worth of computing here.....anyways yeah in order to have different IPs we would have to get an entirely separate connection. That pretty much defeats the purpose of having the wireless router in more ways than I can even bother to discuss. But more and more people and housholds will start to use this more and more. What if you have a several wargamers that all have laptops that all get together to do their thing at one location such as an internet cafe or someone buys a connection at one place or sets up a club or something. Everybody piches in to pay the bill and everybody can use it.
Thats the phase we are in now with the wireless revolution. The days of dial up and even the single connection home are over. Everything is wireless and that means that you IP will mean squat at some point. All you need is an access from wherever you happen to be. If I had a way to hack access codes I could just drive around the neighborhood all night and never pay a thing for internet access. In a major metro area there are wireless signals everywhere.

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Post by JohnHwangBT » Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:11 pm

Ironhide wrote:
From a practical standpoint, you dilute your references and Feedback. On Btown, having 4 accounts with a 20-30 rating is far less valuable than having a single 100+ account. That single 100+ account will have earned the right to usually ship last, whereas, those 20-30 accounts will usually ship first.
That right there sounds like an abuse of the system. 4 users using the same account is just as bad as someone having multiple accounts. I would see something like that as an unfair practice and wouldn't trade with someone who did it, based solely on principle.
If, in a 5-odd years, you want to trade with a 6-year-old, I guess I could set him up as a separate user with his own e-mail and everything. I mean, I'd help him set up the posting and stuff, but he'd be responsible for the actual trades, right?

Or you could trade with the father on his behalf, who'd likely have a 200+ rating.

Quite frankly, if I'm the one who's ultimately responsible for the fulfillment of the trade, then it'll be under my ID and I'll get the Feedback.

OTOH, if Btown really wants to insist on one person = one account, then people shouldn't complain so much when trades with amateurs go sour.

Personally, I think it'd probably be a good idea if the most responsible person in a particular gaming group acted as the Btown broker for that group. You'd weed out a lot of randomness in the process in favor of more trades among people who actually know how the system should work, and have vested interests in ensuring successful trades.
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Post by Ironhide » Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:48 am

I see your point with very young children, but I don't think that extends to a gaming group. Being a "trade broker" for a gaming group would be a violation of Rule#2, I think.

Actually, both would be a violation if you took the RAW aproach.
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Post by Linrandir » Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:28 am

The IP address is just one way to tell if someone is violating the multiple account rule. Yes, there are others. No, I'm not going to go into specifics. However, the simple presence of multiple usernames on one IP address is not the sole determining factor in banning someone.

The one user/one account, one account/one user policy isn't changing. And for goodness sake, before we get into the RAW dissection, I point out rule #0 as the first and overriding rule. It's just easier to ask me than take a gamble. :-)

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Post by MEDEVL » Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:12 pm

Lin, you might want to nuke/edit his posts in the painter's for hire section in light of this.
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Post by MEDEVL » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:04 pm

It looks as if he has already started a new account and advertised again in the painters for hire forum...

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Post by MagickalMemories » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:20 pm

You know... His incessant posting, after being told not to, is starting to make me feel harassed.
Missouri is about to pass an internet harassment law, too...

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Post by ancientsociety » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:46 pm

Wow, check out the Youtube videos. Painting skillz = EPIC FAIL.
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