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Backout: purpleboxbluebox - Resolved by purpleboxbluebox

Post by ninjaDance » Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:35 am

To preface this, I hate filling these things out. I generally avoid it and I make a habit out of giving everyone the benefit of the doubt if they need to cancel before anything is shipped. But this is the second time with the user in the same transaction and I'm sort of out money on this (totally my own fault for ordering additions to the army I thought I was getting, but it adds to frustration), so I'm posting it.

I do not necessarily think purpleboxbluebox is a bad guy or intended any harm out of this. It's just how things ended up, but I think it needs to be said, particularly as this lot is posted on here a lot (I actually first inquired and started working a deal out for this lot on Nov 20, 2017, and have seen it posted a bunch since after that attempt fell through). Again, not necessarily any bad intentions, but it colours the interaction.

Summary: purpleboxbluebox and I reached an agreement to trade a significant 30k Word Bearers (and allies) lot for a large Skaven army. This agreement was backed out out of when purpleboxbluebox reported that he would be needing cash instead due to a life event. A few days later, purpleboxbluebox messaged indicating that he would like to continue the deal, without the allies listed initially. We came to an agreement, and the next day, purpleboxbluebox messaged that he would need to back out due to being forbidden to trade the models.

PMs: (This is very long, and I'm editing out personal info, but in general I'm trying to include as much as possible, including my less-than-awesome money situation, for completeness's sake.)

Sent: Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:46 pm 
by ninjaDance

I know I've inquired about this several times before, but I'd like to kick off my Word Bearers again, and on the off chance you might still be looking to unload them, I have several things available.

In addition to what's listed here: ... 0&t=310725

I also have a fairly large Sons of Horus 30k army, a decently sized Ironjawz army, and Circle Orborous.


 Sent: Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:59 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
I might be interested in trading them, but no guarantees. What do you have for Sons of Horus and Ironjawz?

 Sent: Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:32 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
I can send pictures of the word bearers. Just need an email address.

 Sent: Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:39 pm 
by ninjaDance
<email address removed>

Sorry, don't have an inventory for the Sons of Horus just yet. Here's the Ironjaws, though (all bare, but need a little love for mould lines):

Gordrakk on Maw Krusha
2x Weirdnob
Warchanter (might be 2)
30x Ardboyz
10x Brutes
9x Gore Gruntas

Could scrounge up some Greenskinz, too, if that's you're cup of tea.

 Sent: Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:21 pm 
by ninjaDance
Yep! 2 Warchanters for the IJ.

As for Sons of Horus...

40x Tactical Marines (BaC; about half with SoH Torsos, about half with SoH heads (little over half on each); about 10 have arms with bolters attached, rest weapons/arms unattached; SoH pauldrons for all)
10x Kataphractii Terminators (all dual LC BaC, all have SoH pauldrons)
5x Justaerin Terminators (arm unattached, Justaerin weapon set included)
1x SoH Contemptor w/ Kheres (arms unattached)

All of the above are bare plastic/resin and legit FW. In addition to the above, I have a big ol' set of SoH command guys that look like a mix of recast and legit. Praetor, Abaddon, and more, usually looking like a generic recast with legit SoH parts added to it. Would pretty much include them 'for free' if we work something out.


 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:51 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
Interested in the Ironjawz, but nothing else. Would you be willing to make up the difference in value with paypal?

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:53 pm 
by ninjaDance
Might be! What would be your asking price in PayPal? And do you still have an itemized list handy?


Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:10 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
Its hard to itemize the list as most of the stuff is out of print. In addition, I also have some more HH Word Bearer books I want to add to the lot. They are out of print. I put the value of the lot around 1300. I would do $325 in addition shipped.

Here's a breakdown of the value of your list.

Battletome $40
Gordrakk on Maw Krusha $110
Megaboss $40
2x Weirdnob $66
Warchanter (might be 2) $60
30x Ardboyz $106
10x Brutes $100
9x Gore Gruntas $237

Value $759

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:16 pm 
by ninjaDance
Gotcha. What I mean is if you have a list of everything in your lot, with or without value listed. I know you've had it posted a few times, but I only see a recent post of yours that was deleted currently.


 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:20 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
Lorgar Primarch Built Bare Resin
30 Mark IV Marines with Word Bearer Upgrade Torsos, Heads and, Shoulder Pads NOS/NIB
10 Mark III Marines NOS
5 Cataphractii Terminators w/ Combi Plasmas Built Bare Resin Plastic
5 Cataphractii Terminators w/ Combi Meltas Built Bare Resin Plastic
Betrayal at Calth Captain and Chaplain Built Bare Plastic
Word Bearers Mhara Gal Tainted Dreadnought Built Bare Resin
2 Sets Lascannon Weapon Upgrades FW NIB
Deimos Vindicator Laser Destroyer Built Bare Resin
Legion Champion and Master of the Signal Built Bare Resin
Legion Sicaran Battle Tank Built Bare Resin Turret Hull Primed Purple
Space Marine Apothecary Set Built Bare Resin
Primus Apothecary in Cataphractii Armor Built Bare Resin
Space Marine Rapier Quad Mortar Built Bare Resin
Emperor's Children Legion Palatine Blades Squad Built Primed Purple Have Plastic Mark IV Backpacks 1 Model has one plastic shoulderpad
Lorgar Primarch Series Limited Edition Book
Forge World Word Bearers Dice
HH Book Aurelian
HH Book The Purge

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:07 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
Ill also do $700 shipped for the lot. I'd prefer to do it this way, as while I like the iron jaws I would prefer a stormcasts army.

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:10 pm 
by ninjaDance
That's a bit out of my price range right now, sadly. I miiiight can do the $325, but I've got to fool with my budget a bit when I get home and see if I can work it out.

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:24 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
What's the monetary value of the drop fleet lots?

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:35 pm 
by ninjaDance
Actually have that info handy from the other day, hahah. Here you go:

2-Player Starter Set £65
2x Shaltari Starter Set £80
2x PHR Starter Set £80
2x KS Exclusive UCMF Atlantis ~$52 - 104
2x KS Exclusive Civilian Princess Liner 12/24q
2x KS Exclusive PHR Leonidas ~$91 - 182
2x KS Exclusive Shaltari Adamant ??? Est. ~$52 / 104
2x KS Exclusive Scourge Basilisk ~$52 / 104
2x Shaltari Cruiser Sprue £40
2x Shaltari Frigate Sprue £50
1x UCM Frigate Sprue £25
1x UCM Cruiser Sprue £20
1x PHR Frigate Sprue £25
1x PHR Cruiser Sprue £20
1x Scourge Frigate Sprue £25
1x Sourge Cruiser Sprue £20
2x Launch Assets £20

2x 2-Up PHR Ajax Class Cruiser ~$80 / 160
2x 2-Up UCM Battleship ~$80 / 160
1x KS Exclusive TShirt (XL, unworn in bag) Free

£470 w/o Exclusives ~= $627 w/o Exclusives
$864 Exclusives (this is the Kickstarter exclusive stuff)
=$1491 Total

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:45 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
Gotcha. Are the Ironjawz built with plastic glue or super glue?

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:50 pm 
by ninjaDance
Looks like super glue to me. I didn't build them, and they're not the best build I've ever seen, but not terrible, either. I can get some pics for you if you'd like.

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:50 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
Sure thing on the pics email is <email address removed>

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:04 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
Do you still have the Necron lot? If I remember they were similar in value. If you have them an want to trade them could you send a list. Might save you money.

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:12 pm 
by ninjaDance
Wish I did, but they're long gone. I think I still have Trazyn NiB, but I'm not even sure how I kept him, hahah.

Outside of what I've listed so far, I have Skaven (not real sure on selling them, but frankly I could use the space) and a bucket list of Yu Jing. Maybe Brettonians, but there's not a whole ton of them.

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:29 pm 
by ninjaDance
Sent some pictures of the Ironjawz, ended up sending a Drive link. Have to run some errands and can't get back to the PC to shrink the pic size right this moment, which was goofing up the email.

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:32 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
I'd much prefer Skaven over the Ironjawz especially if they are poorly built which might put me off a deal. Could you send a list of what you have for Skaven and we can go from there. Also if nothing works out I can do $600 for the lot shipped, but I don't know if it's in your budget.

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:57 pm 
by ninjaDance
That's a tough one. If I do get rid of them, I have, I believe, everything except the new Thanquol, the most recent Warlord model (the single plastic clampack), the FW Wolf Rats, and the FW Verminlord (which I do have pieces of from a recast, planned to make some statue scenery from it). Don't ask me how, but I ended up with several thousand dollars worth of Skaven. It might be easier for them if you came up with a wishlist... It'll take a lot of closet digging for them.

Skaven are largely in a bare or primed state. Maybe one or two things painted (one Deathwatch Snikch model out of two I own, offhand). Some are NoS or NiB. Plenty of old OOP stuff.

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:11 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
I'll make a list. Do you think you can do $600 shipped? It's over half off value. I know you said you were constrained by a budget, but I like to keep my options open.

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:13 pm 
by ninjaDance
Wish I could, but not unless a bunch of stuff sells. Have a family vacation coming up in about a month and trying to keep a strict budget until then.

By the by, I saw your email address, my wife went to UGA. We actually got married at the botanical garden in Athens. Nice place!

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:20 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
Can you do the $325? You said it was a possibility, but you had to check on your budget. It looked like some of the Ironjawz were missing bits do you have them?

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:45 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
Here's my wish list for the skaven. I prefer the new models, nos, and unpainted.

Verminlord x2 new version
Plague Furnace
Stormfiends x6
Screaming Bell new version
Hell Pit Abomination
Warplock Jezzails x6
Stormvermin x60
Rat Orgers x4
Giant Rats x6
Pack Handlers x4
Clanrats x60
Plague Monks x40
Nightrunners x20
Warp Lightning Cannon
Doomwheel new version
Warlock Enginners x2
Deathmaster Snitch new version
Queek Headtaker new version
Rat Swarms x6
Plague Monk Special Character
Warp Grinder Team x2
Ratlinggun x2
Plague wind mortar x2
Skaven Warlord Isle of Blood
Skaven Enginner Isle of Blood
Packmaster special character
Gutterrunners x12
Skaven Assassin
Plague Censar Bearers x 10
Skyre Acolytes x3

I used the GW site to make the this, except for the IOB stuff.

and a Skaven Warlord on Brood Horror. Comes to above value of my lot, but we can wittle it down once you let me know what you have.

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:49 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
Will you be able to give me an estimate on the Skaven tonight? If you can send me pictures. I am really interested in making a deal for Skaven.

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:58 pm 
by ninjaDance
Should be able to get back to you on availability, but probably not pictures, unless I get home soon. Sorry, turning into a busy night.

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:14 pm 
by ninjaDance
So I have a minute here, let me do a quick rundown of wishlist vs what I have and condition...

Verminlord x2 new version [I have 1 of these NoS, and 1 Corrupter primed black]
Plague Furnace [bare]
Stormfiends x6 [NoS]
Screaming Bell new version [Primed black]
Hell Pit Abomination [bare or primed black, take your pick]
Warplock Jezzails x6 [Primed black]
Stormvermin x40 [Primed black, note this is 20 less than your requested]
Rat Orgers x4 [Bare]
Giant Rats x6 [Bare]
Pack Handlers x4 [Bare]
Clanrats x60 [Bare]
Plague Monks x40 [Bare or primed black, can't quite remember. Pretty sure I have some NoS, too.]
Nightrunners x20 [I'm not sure I actually have 20 of these, I need to check.]
Warp Lightning Cannon [Bare]
Plagueclaw [Bare]
Doomwheel new version [Bare or primed black]
Warlock Enginners x2 [Bare plastic, bare metal, or NiB, depending on if you want plastic or metal]
Deathmaster Snitch new version [Metal painted, resin bare, part assembled]
Queek Headtaker new version [Need to double check on if I have the new version of Queek]
Rat Swarms x6 [Bare or NiB... not sure how many I have NiB]
Plague Monk Special Character [Bare]
Warp Grinder Team x2 [Might only have 1 of these, NiB]
Ratlinggun x2 [Bare or NiB or primed black]
Plague wind mortar x2 [Bare]
Skaven Warlord Isle of Blood [Bare]
Skaven Enginner Isle of Blood [Bare]
Packmaster special character [Bare]
Gutterrunners x12 [Bare or primed black... need to double check and see if I have 12 of the actual Gutter Runners or not, I use the old metal assassins as extra GRs]
Skaven Assassin [Bare or primed black]
Plague Censar Bearers x 10 [Bare]
Doom-flayer [Unassembled]
Skyre Acolytes x3 [Bare]
Skaven Warlord on Brood Horror [NiB]

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:00 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
Would you trade the list I gave you for the word bearer lot? The difference in value is small. I can pick out models e.g bare plastic once I Recieved an answer.

 Sent: Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:50 pm 
by ninjaDance
Yep, I can do that. I've needed to cut ties with my Skaven for a long time (I have plenty of horde stuff in AoS already), this will be a good excuse to go through with it, hahah.

 Sent: Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:55 am 
by ninjaDance
If all's good for you, I'll consider this finalized and start getting things packed up. You all right shipping first, given ratings and all that?

 Sent: Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:24 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
I crashed into somebody in my car this morning. I was at fault for the accident. I am currently broke. I have to come up with money quickly to pay insurance deductibles for my car and the car I ran into. The only way I have to make money quickly is to flash sale my model collection. This includes the horus heresy lot that I agreed to trade for your Skaven. I know this is disappointing to you and I feel really bad for backing out of the deal this late in the game. I really wanted the Skaven, but real life comes before hobbies. I am going to put the HH lot on ebay. I think I can get 650 plus shipping. I can offer the lot to you at 600 shipped. I know you wish you could and are looking forward to a family vacation soon, but it's all I can do right now. I'm pretty disparate for cash right now.

 Sent: Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:29 pm 
by ninjaDance
Sorry, man, that's crappy luck. Ive got my car in the shop right now, too, it's never fun. Hope you're all right! 

I wish I could buy it off of you, but no such luck unless I get a lot of models sold soon. If I do, I'll let you know and would be happy to buy it from you if it hasn't sold by that point.

Good luck,

 Sent: Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:02 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
Good news, I made enough money off loading models to cover the cost of my insurance deductibles, without selling the word bearers. If you are still interested, I would like to continue our trade; however, I sold the sicaean battle tank and palpatine blades. I suspected they were reecasts but was not sure, so I did not value them too highly when calculating the value of my lot. We can either trade for the original list of Skaven just straight out. If we do it this way I'll be happy to ship first. Usually I am pretty firm on simultaneous shipping. If you do not want to do it this way and are willing to do simultaneous shipping, I can add what little I have remaining model wise which is nib tau pathfinders and stealth suits. Don't know if you want them, but it's all I really have. The rest of the lot is genuine fw. I purchased them myself. Let me know either way. If you wish to proceed send me your address for shipping.

 Sent: Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:01 pm 
by ninjaDance
That's great! Glad you got it all worked out.

Would love to go through with the trade if you're still interested. I don't mind shipping more or less simultaneously if you don't mind tossing in the Tau and at least shooting me the tracking first. I probably will be able to pack and get a label this weekend.

My address is:
<Address removed>

Let me know your address as well!


 Sent: Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:11 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
Sounds like we have a deal. I'll get things packed ASAP. It will be probably be Saturday before I can get you a tracking number. FW is fragile and I can guarantee there will be breaks. What I'll do is bubble wrap all items and place them in plastic bags to keep the pieces together. I'll get you a list of which particular condition models I want from the Skaven list you sent me tommorow.

 Sent: Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:29 pm 
by ninjaDance
Thanks very much! Really appreciate it. Word Bearers have been my favourite Space Marines for forever, love their aesthetic (and they get to play with all the cool daemons). Time to start looking at rules.

Sent: Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:19 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
I've run into a snag in regards to shipping which I did not see when I agreed to trade. To put it simply I do not have the money to pay for shipping. I want to send the package Fedex express insure for $1300 (if an insurance payment becomes a factor the money should go to the respective party who did not receive the package) and include signature confirmation. Can you pay for my shipping costs? If you agree I'll include the celestant prime, a $80 value, in the trade as compensation. I'll be packing the shipment tonight and I'm pretty sure I can pay and print shipping online. I can give you the exact cost of shipping and if you agree paypal me the money to cover shipping.

 Sent: Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:21 pm 
by ninjaDance
I might can. Let me know what the shipping is and I'll check.

 Sent: Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:39 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
I predicted the package will weigh 10 pounds. Rates are 37.77 for Fedex ground and 72.32 for Fedex express. You will have to sign for the package, as its insured value is 1300.

[NOTE: I initially sent a message here saying I would cover the shipping and to provide his Paypal before immediately discovering I couldn't actually do that and deleting it. Then sent the next followup message.]

 Sent: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:03 pm 
by ninjaDance
Sorry for the deleted message. I wouldn't mind covering ground for the Celestant Prime, but I can't transfer via PayPal right now, and probably won't be able to until next week.

Sent: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:11 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
Is it a paypal specific issue or do you need to wait to get the money for ground?

 Sent: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:22 pm 
by ninjaDance
Little of column A, little of column B. I'd just use a credit card until payday, but Netflix hit PayPal this morning apparently and put it into negative, which means no sending money period.

 Sent: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:28 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
I might be able to float the money and ship tomorrow; if you can promise to pay me back next week. Does your paypal predicament prevent you from shipping once you received tracking information from me?

 Sent: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:40 pm 
by ninjaDance
Nah, I can ship fine with a credit card. I typically do that anyway for the rewards. If you want to do it that way, it's fine. Payday is Thursday for me. Might be a tad earlier, but Thursday at latest.

Sent: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:34 pm 
by purpleboxbluebox
I was talking to my parents and brought up I would be trading the Word Bearers. Their disappointment was palpable. They reminded me that the army comprised of many gifts and then essentially forbid me from trading them. However much I want to trade them (which is a lot) I must respect the wishes of my parents. Sorry for letting you down like this.

 Sent: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:41 pm 
by ninjaDance
That's very frustrating, particularly after spending 50 bucks on Word Bearer accessories on eBay this morning. This is the second back out in one trade, man. Not included my the lack of ability to ship without my additional payment. I understand some hiccups, but this is a little much.


So yeah. Don't think he is necessarily trying to be a jerk or anything, and I'm an idiot for buying accessories (and ending up causing future problems when he needed me to pay for shipping...) without having the lot in end, or at least the tracking number... but it is what it is. Just a word of caution for future traders.

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Re: Backout: purpleboxbluebox

Post by purpleboxbluebox » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:43 pm

Have sent ninjadance an email and private message to work things out. Hopefully, he responds soon.
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Re: Backout: purpleboxbluebox

Post by ninjaDance » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:34 pm

purpleboxbluebox offered to continue the trade out of a sense of obligation (which I greatly appreciate), and I have declined, given the sentimental value of his collection.

Admins, you can mark this resolved, as purpleboxbluebox did the right thing and was willing to honour his commitment.

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Re: Backout: purpleboxbluebox - Resolved by purpleboxbluebox

Post by MagickalMemories » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:48 am

Good on you, pbbb, for making the effort.
In the future, if you're so young as to need your parents permission before trading something, I recommend you get their permission prior to listing or offering it.
Lower rating? You ship first.

Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.

I think what this situation needs is some imagination.

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