Backout - chocim72 Gary Hooker

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Backout - chocim72 Gary Hooker

Post by samurai » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:29 pm

Do not deal with this guy. Not a man of his word. He was selling 10mm Napoleonics painted and unpainted both priced seperately. I offered a price for all but asked for pictures first. Never received answer to my offer. After a week I got pictures and I did not like the painting or basing so I offered to buy just the unpainted figures which he accepted after several emails and I paid. Several days later I get a refund from Paypal with a note saying he found someone that wanted the whole lot and that he did not know I only wanted the unpainted. Backout, not a man of his word or words.

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Re: Backout - chocim72 Gary Hooker

Post by 3eland » Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:11 am

As per the rules for filing a Backout, please post your PM history with the appropriate headers.

It should look similar to this:
Sent: Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:30 pm
From: Person A
To: Person B

<Message>

Thanks,

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Re: Backout - chocim72 Gary Hooker

Post by samurai » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:53 am

Original post for sale by Chocim72:


10mm military miniatures

Postby chocim72 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:31 pm
Hello,
Beautifully painted and based 10mm Napoleonic Austrian Army (Magister Militum)
47 hussars w/ cmd. and flags
15 cuirassiers
12 dragoons
9 mounted generals
14 cannons w/4 man crews each
192 infantry in helmets
80 line in shakos
30 grenadiers
30 jagers
30 grenadiers
22 painted Austrian line in helmets(old glory)
60 French in white uniforms(old glory) =$175.00
Unpainted Napoleonic (magister militum) prime black
24 French infantry
24 French cuirassiers
60 Bavarian infantry
12 Bavarian cheval-legers
5 mounted French cmd.
6 mounted Austrian cmd.
60 Austrian grenadiers
39 Austrian line marching in shako,s w/cmd.
32 Austrian infantry in helmets w/cmd.
4 Austrian artillerymen
Unpainted (GHQ) Napoleonic French
107 light infantry
2 French cannons w/ crew (still in unopened pack)
87 unpainted Austrian grenadiers (Aim , American minifigs)
109 Austrian line marching in helmets(old glory)
All unpainted Napoleonic lot =$30.00
Samurai reply:
Re: 10mm military miniatures

Sent: Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:24 pm
by samurai
Hi, would you take $200 for the lot of the 10mm figures painted and unpainted shipped ? I would like to see a picture of the painted figures to judge the quality but I can paypal you or send a check whichever you would prefer. My shipping info is:

Chocim72 sent pictures: to email address
Here are the pics.
Regards Gary






Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab®4


-------- Original message --------
From: WANDA HILL <diabritt313@msn.com>
Date:07/22/2016 5:19 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: diabritt313@msn.com
Subject: Pics

My reply: 6:10 pm on 23rd
Hi Gary, I think I would like to go with just the unpainted stuff as my basing is different and painting is different as well. Is the following the all included in the unpainted group ?

Unpainted Napoleonic (magister militum) prime black
24 French infantry
24 French cuirassiers
60 Bavarian infantry
12 Bavarian cheval-legers
5 mounted French cmd.
6 mounted Austrian cmd.
60 Austrian grenadiers
39 Austrian line marching in shako,s w/cmd.
32 Austrian infantry in helmets w/cmd.
4 Austrian artillerymen
Unpainted (GHQ) Napoleonic French
107 light infantry
2 French cannons w/ crew (still in unopened pack)
87 unpainted Austrian grenadiers (Aim , American minifigs)
109 Austrian line marching in helmets(old glory)
All unpainted Napoleonic lot =$30.00
I would trade for 10mm painted FPW!
Thanks

I can paypal or send a check for the total. would $36.80 cover everything including shipping as it should fit into a USPS small flat rate box.

Thank you

Robert

Chocim72 reply:


10mm napoleonics

Sent: Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:34 pm
From: chocim72(12)
To: samurai
Hello,
My paypal address is diabritt313@msn.com.
I'll pack up the miniatures for shipping.
Regards Gary

Samurai Reply:
Re: 10mm napoleonics

Sent: Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:15 pm
by samurai
Hi Gary, As in earlier email I will send the $36.80 to you, forthwith, for the below unpainted figures.

Thank you

Robert

I think I would like to go with just the unpainted stuff as my basing is different and painting is different as well. Is the following the all included in the unpainted group ?

Unpainted Napoleonic (magister militum) prime black
24 French infantry
24 French cuirassiers
60 Bavarian infantry
12 Bavarian cheval-legers
5 mounted French cmd.
6 mounted Austrian cmd.
60 Austrian grenadiers
39 Austrian line marching in shako,s w/cmd.
32 Austrian infantry in helmets w/cmd.
4 Austrian artillerymen
Unpainted (GHQ) Napoleonic French
107 light infantry
2 French cannons w/ crew (still in unopened pack)
87 unpainted Austrian grenadiers (Aim , American minifigs)
109 Austrian line marching in helmets(old glory)
All unpainted Napoleonic lot =$30.00
I would trade for 10mm painted FPW!
Thanks

I can paypal or send a check for the total. would $36.80 cover everything including shipping as it should fit into a USPS small flat rate box.

Thank you

Robert
Re: 10mm napoleonics

Sent: Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:37 pm
by samurai
Hi Gary, Money sent.

Thank you

Robert

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Re: Backout - chocim72 Gary Hooker

Post by chocim72 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:46 am

Hello,
I will not go back and forth with this.
This website is called Bartertown, I was responding to various inquiries about my ad.
At no time did I commit to samurai (Superman) soldly,After patiently responding to his questions regarding
(the full lot) Samurai backed out of the dealings for the whole lot,Then informed me that he was taking the unpainted lot,
determining the cost of shipping from Maryland to Idaho( $6.80) .
I was then sent by samurai an email ,all without first checking to see if I accepted his offer informing me of his payment,
his price he was paying for shipping , his instructions on what to put in what size box!
Mr. Samaurai had decided for me, but that's not how it works sir.
His payment was swiftly refunded , and I respectfully delined the offer.
Gary

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Re: Backout - chocim72 Gary Hooker

Post by MagickalMemories » Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:46 pm

chocim72 wrote:Hello,
I will not go back and forth with this.
This website is called Bartertown, I was responding to various inquiries about my ad.
At no time did I commit to samurai (Superman) soldly,After patiently responding to his questions regarding
(the full lot) Samurai backed out of the dealings for the whole lot,Then informed me that he was taking the unpainted lot,
determining the cost of shipping from Maryland to Idaho( $6.80) .
I was then sent by samurai an email ,all without first checking to see if I accepted his offer informing me of his payment,
his price he was paying for shipping , his instructions on what to put in what size box!
Mr. Samaurai had decided for me, but that's not how it works sir.
His payment was swiftly refunded , and I respectfully delined the offer.
Gary

You are correct. This place IS called Bartertown.
It is not, however, called Backout Town.
We have a specific set of rules and procedures here.
Unless you claim he is lying, you sent this PM in regard to painted models:
Sent: Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:34 pm
From: chocim72(12)
To: samurai
Hello,
My paypal address is diabritt313@msn.com.
I'll pack up the miniatures for shipping.
Regards Gary
You came to an agreement to sell him items, then changed your mind when you found a preferential deal. You never declined the offer. Declining it implies that you never accepted it. Instead, you accepted, then changed your mind.
Now, they're YOUR items and you have every right to change your mind. The fact of the matter, though, is that you DID back out of an agreement with him, which is exactly what this forum is for reporting.

So, unless you claim that he is lying and you never sent that PM, the report stands as accurate and earned.

Please, let us know if you are claiming he is being dishonest and we will move forward on that accusation.

Thank you.

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Re: Backout - chocim72 Gary Hooker

Post by chocim72 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:40 pm

I totally disagree, we talked about the whole lot, not pick and choose , then inform me on what he was willing to pay for shipping and how to proceed !!
Gary

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Re: Backout - chocim72 Gary Hooker

Post by MagickalMemories » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:56 pm

chocim72 wrote:I totally disagree, we talked about the whole lot, not pick and choose , then inform me on what he was willing to pay for shipping and how to proceed !!
Gary
You gave him your PayPal information and said, "I'll pack up the miniatures for shipping."
What possible reason would you have for doing that, but to have him pay you? You clearly agreed to his offer there.

Your ad stated that you wanted $30 for the unpainted. YOUR ad.
After looking at your painted stuff, he decided he only wanted the unpainted and agreed to your price (from YOUR ad).
He asked if the $36.80 would be enough, shipped, since you could fit it all into a priority box.
You agreed to the price and sent your PayPal address.
Tell me where I am mistaken on ANY of those facts, and back up your claim with facts from the PM and/or email string, please.

Thank you.

Eric
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I think what this situation needs is some imagination.

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Re: Backout - chocim72 Gary Hooker

Post by chocim72 » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:15 am

Barr-Humbug!!!!
Gary

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Re: Backout - chocim72 Gary Hooker

Post by 3eland » Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:06 am

Hi Gary,

Let me try to explain what the issue is here and perhaps you can clarify with us why you are not in the wrong.

On July 22nd Samurai sent you this:
-------- Original message --------
From: WANDA HILL <diabritt313@msn.com>
Date:07/22/2016 5:19 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: diabritt313@msn.com
Subject: Pics

My reply: 6:10 pm on 23rd
Hi Gary, I think I would like to go with just the unpainted stuff as my basing is different and painting is different as well. Is the following the all included in the unpainted group ?

Unpainted Napoleonic (magister militum) prime black
24 French infantry
24 French cuirassiers
60 Bavarian infantry
12 Bavarian cheval-legers
5 mounted French cmd.
6 mounted Austrian cmd.
60 Austrian grenadiers
39 Austrian line marching in shako,s w/cmd.
32 Austrian infantry in helmets w/cmd.
4 Austrian artillerymen
Unpainted (GHQ) Napoleonic French
107 light infantry
2 French cannons w/ crew (still in unopened pack)
87 unpainted Austrian grenadiers (Aim , American minifigs)
109 Austrian line marching in helmets(old glory)
All unpainted Napoleonic lot =$30.00
I would trade for 10mm painted FPW!
Thanks

I can paypal or send a check for the total. would $36.80 cover everything including shipping as it should fit into a USPS small flat rate box.

Thank you

Robert
He says he will take the unpainted lot and send 36.80 to you.

On July 23rd (so a day later), you sent this:
Sent: Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:34 pm
From: chocim72(12)
To: samurai
Hello,
My paypal address is diabritt313@msn.com.
I'll pack up the miniatures for shipping.
Regards Gary
So a day later, after reading his message, you committed to the deal by replying with how he can pay you and that you will pack up the miniatures to ship.

Approx. an hour later, Samurai sent you this:
Sent: Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:15 pm
by samurai
Hi Gary, As in earlier email I will send the $36.80 to you, forthwith, for the below unpainted figures.

Thank you

Robert

[...]
which followed an hour later with:
Sent: Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:37 pm
by samurai
Hi Gary, Money sent.

Thank you

Robert
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Therefore, it shows by the string of communication, that you agreed to a deal by replying with your paypal address. If you did not confirm the deal, then why would you tell him how to pay you and that you would pack up the minis to ship?

You state "I will not go back and forth with this.". Is there communication between you two that disproves you committed to a deal? This is what we are asking for.

If not, then this backout stands. Samurai has the right to file this backout (and technically can leave you a reference since there was a trade agreement/commitment).

If there is something we are missing that proves you are not in the wrong, then instead of posting "Barr-Humbug!!!! " (it's actually "Bah, Humbug!" if you are quoting Scrooge. Bar humbug is a popular bar in both Australia and the UK), post that instead.

Thank you,

Ryan
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Re: Backout - chocim72 Gary Hooker

Post by chocim72 » Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:57 pm

bah-humbug!!

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Re: Backout - chocim72 Gary Hooker

Post by MagickalMemories » Mon Aug 08, 2016 8:58 pm

One more off topic reply, and it'll be "Banhammer-humbug."
Reply appropriately, or simply acknowledge that you're wrong and quit replying.
Really... after almost 13 years, you should know better.

This is your only warning.

Eric
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Re: Backout - chocim72 Gary Hooker

Post by nightlord » Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:09 am

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