I was hoping it wouldn't have to come to this. I agreed on a trade on Sunday, October 8th to trade my Cygnar lot for a bunch of Space Marine/Dark Angels and $55 in the form of a money order. I was willing to give this a little extra time, as I knew the post was going to have all sorts of issues from Sandy and I live up in Massachusetts, but it's been over three weeks and he still hasn't provided any proof that he's shipped, nor has he shown any great concern over the potential loss of $55 and a good amount of models. Further, I've reported him to Eric for potential sharing of an account, which I have bolded in the appropriate messages. The quote from him in the first message is from his reply to my trade thread.
Re: H: VC, SM, AD&D, Trolls, Cygnar, $ W: CSM, SM, IA, Books
Sent: Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:15 pm
by reegsk
Subject: H: VC, SM, AD&D, Trolls, Cygnar, $ W: CSM, SM, IA, Books
AnIrishGamer wrote:
Hey man I've got a box of DA veterans and 3 Bikes with Raven wing bits NoS. Would you consider taking them in trade with cash as the rest of the balance for your Cygnar?
Hey man,
So are you saying you have the Ravenwing Bike Squadron from GW's website? I'd be interested. What I usually do for partial trades is go retail-for-retail on the trade portion, and then work out a price for the difference. The retail on the DA Vets (assuming they're the new, plastic kit?) and bikes is &75, and retail on the Cygnar is $250, so we're talking a difference of $175. I was looking to sell the entire lot for about 40% of retail, so would you throw in $75 ($70 for 40% of the trade difference, plus five bucks for PayPal fees and to help with shipping, since it's a lot of metal)? Let me know what you're thinking.
Cheers,
Dan K.
Re: H: VC, SM, AD&D, Trolls, Cygnar, $ W: CSM, SM, IA, Books
Sent: Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:07 am
by AnIrishGamer
Well the total you had listed was $115.00 Shipped. But I'm not unreasonable, the only problem for me would be retail vs. retail assuming ours is the same condition. My stuff is all New in box or sprue. I was looking at the total you had listed as your stuff isn't new. Not Retail minus mine. If you are okay with an adjustment for that I'm good. That would make the cash I would owe you 45.00. However, I found another couple of bikes. (These are regular SM Bikes BUT I have the sprues from Raven wing so I can Include them to amke them SM Bikes.) SO what say Five bikes, all NoS, 1 Box DA veterans and $20.00 Cash for your cygnar, plus I'll toss in an extra sprue of two of DA stuff that I used some of the bits off of. Still ahs power weapons and stuff. THis work?
Re: H: VC, SM, AD&D, Trolls, Cygnar, $ W: CSM, SM, IA, Books
Sent: Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:43 am
by reegsk
The total listed was for a sale, not a trade. It's right in that first paragraph of my post:
Prices are for sales, trades are based off of retail for retail
If the models were painted, I would certainly adjust the trade portion significantly, but they're not. The chain gun and crewmen are primed, the rest are all just assembled but unpainted, unprimed. Given that Privateer models don't allow for conversions their value doesn't drop significantly when assembled like GW's, because GW products have a lot of customization options. Actually, with only a few exceptions, the Cygnar models are all one piece.
Even with the additional bikes, that's still too low for me. The retail on five bikes plus the vets is $82, so you're offering me $102. The total value on the Cygnar lot is just over $250, and it's going to cost me $12 to ship it (because it HAS to be Flat Rate priority, and they'll fit in a Medium box at best), which means I'm basically taking in $90. That's 65% OFF of retail for assembled, bare models. That's way too low. Selling them at $115 was going to be a hit, but it would be cash in my pocket.
With the added bikes, the difference in trade is $170. Since you're taking the whole lot, and I was offering it at 60% off of retail, so that would bring it down to $68. I'll knock off another $5 because that's what it'll cost to replace the banner pole arm on the Long Gunner UA, and drop off a few more dollars because I'd rather have models I can use as opposed to models I can't. So here's the trade I'm proposing:
You
DA Veterans Box
DA Bike Squadron Box
2 x Additional SM Bikes, NoS
Extra DA/Ravenwing bits to turn said SM bikes into Ravenwing
$55 via PayPal
Me
Full Long Gunners w/UA (Banner pole is broken, assembled, bare metal)
Full Trenchers w/UA and 3 x WA's (assembled, bare metal - WA's are NiB)
Trencher Chain Gun (assembled, primed black)
Grenadier (assembled, bare metal)
Triumph (assembled, bare metal)
Captain Maxwell Finn (assembled, bare metal)
After PayPal fees and shipping, I'm really only getting $40 and $82 in models, which is as low as I can go. Let me know what you're thinking.
Cheers,
Dan K.
Re: H: VC, SM, AD&D, Trolls, Cygnar, $ W: CSM, SM, IA, Books
Sent: Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:04 pm
by AnIrishGamer
What condition si your stuff? And IUw ould be trading for some, buying the rest. So it is a trade Plus a sale.
Re: H: VC, SM, AD&D, Trolls, Cygnar, $ W: CSM, SM, IA, Books
Sent: Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:06 pm
by reegsk
It's in the list - mos are bare metal, and the chain gun is primed black. All are assembled, and the banner pole from the long gunner UA is broken, so you'll have to pin or replace it, hence knocking off the extra five bucks.
Re: H: VC, SM, AD&D, Trolls, Cygnar, $ W: CSM, SM, IA, Books
Sent: Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:02 pm
by AnIrishGamer
SO what are we at so far with 6 Bikes for trade, the vets and Then your stuff?
Re: H: VC, SM, AD&D, Trolls, Cygnar, $ W: CSM, SM, IA, Books
Sent: Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:06 pm
by reegsk
reegsk wrote:
You
DA Veterans Box
DA Bike Squadron Box
2 x Additional SM Bikes, NoS
Extra DA/Ravenwing bits to turn said SM bikes into Ravenwing
$55 via PayPal
Me
Full Long Gunners w/UA (Banner pole is broken, assembled, bare metal)
Full Trenchers w/UA and 3 x WA's (assembled, bare metal - WA's are NiB)
Trencher Chain Gun (assembled, primed black)
Grenadier (assembled, bare metal)
Triumph (assembled, bare metal)
Captain Maxwell Finn (assembled, bare metal)
Re: H: VC, SM, AD&D, Trolls, Cygnar, $ W: CSM, SM, IA, Books
Sent: Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:11 pm
by reegsk
And is it five bikes or six? In the first post where you mentioned them, you said you have two, and the RW box comes with three.
Re: H: VC, SM, AD&D, Trolls, Cygnar, $ W: CSM, SM, IA, Books
Sent: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:00 am
by AnIrishGamer
Actually lol, I have like....Alot more than that. I've been going through my Storage. I actually have 6 Bikes, 1 Attack bike, These are absic space marine bikes. But then I have the sprues for the Raven wing battlebox. So they can be Raven wing bikes. ANd the box of unopened DA vets,
Re: H: VC, SM, AD&D, Trolls, Cygnar, $ W: CSM, SM, IA, Books
Sent: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:03 am
by AnIrishGamer
I also have 3 Dark angels rhinos bare plastic.
Re: H: VC, SM, AD&D, Trolls, Cygnar, $ W: CSM, SM, IA, Books
Sent: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:08 am
by reegsk
I would only need the five. So does that trade from my previous message work for you?
At this point the conversation continues in a different thread of PMs. I don't know why he switched, if he accidentally deleted the originals or what have you, but we continue:
query
Sent: Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:24 am
by AnIrishGamer
Is there any other SM/DA stuff you'd want? The Rhinos, Devestators, etc?
Re: query
Sent: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:43 am
by reegsk
Not really, no.
Re: query
Sent: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:37 pm
by AnIrishGamer
ALright, cool. So what is the final tally?
Re: query
Sent: Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:20 pm
by reegsk
You
DA Veterans Box
DA Bike Squadron Box
2 x Additional SM Bikes, NoS
Extra DA/Ravenwing bits to turn said SM bikes into Ravenwing
$55 via PayPal
Me
Full Long Gunners w/UA (Banner pole is broken, assembled, bare metal)
Full Trenchers w/UA and 3 x WA's (assembled, bare metal - WA's are NiB)
Trencher Chain Gun (assembled, primed black)
Grenadier (assembled, bare metal)
Triumph (assembled, bare metal)
Captain Maxwell Finn (assembled, bare metal)
Re: query
Sent: Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:45 pm
by AnIrishGamer
I thought we'd touched base over this, I actually don't use paypal. Prefer cash n' money order. If that's a problem, we're stuck lol.
Re: query
Sent: Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:03 pm
by reegsk
No, we didn't discuss that yet. A Money Order is fine. I'd prefer one from the post office, as you don't have to worry about holds and such. With that part squared away, does the deal look alright to you? Also, it's not an official rule or policy of the website, but I do follow the Lowest Ships/Pays First guideline, meaning that the person with the lower feedback rating meets their end of the deal first. Let me know if that's alright with you.
Cheers,
Dan K.
Re: query
Sent: Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:24 pm
by AnIrishGamer
Makes sense. Can Iget an address?
Re: query
Sent: Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:27 pm
by reegsk
Sure.
[Address Removed]
Just a heads up - that hurricane is supposed to hit my area tomorrow, so there may be a disruption in getting mail up this way. Just wanted to give a heads up in case it takes an extra day or two.
Cheers,
Dan K.
Re: query
Sent: Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:24 pm
by reegsk
Hey man,
Did you have a chance to ship this week? Lemme know!
Cheers,
Dan K
Re: query
Sent: Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:16 pm
by reegsk
Hey man,
I see you got my last message. If you haven't shipped yet, that's fine, just keep me in the loop. It's been almost a week with no word.
Cheers,
Dan K.
Here's where he states he shares the account:
Re: query
Sent: Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:42 am
by AnIrishGamer
Sorry man, my roomate also uses this, so sometimes it's him th at reads them. Yeah man, we're good. From what i understand the storms up north have slowed mail down.
Re: query
Sent: Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:17 am
by reegsk
Do you have a tracking number?
Re: query
Sent: Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:36 pm
by reegsk
Hey man, not to be a pest, but I wonder if your roommate read my last message - did you pay for delivery confirmation? If so, have you tracked the package? What day did you ship on last week? Please keep me posted. I'd hate for you to be out the cash and models if something happened to them en route.
Cheers,
Dan K
Re: query
Sent: Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:26 am
by AnIrishGamer
I'll go check thepost office today.
Re: query
Sent: Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:49 am
by reegsk
If you paid for delivery confirmation, you can just go on the website and enter the tracking number.
Re: query
Sent: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:54 am
by AnIrishGamer
My roomate dropped it off, he's trying to find the receipt/
Re: query
Sent: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:30 am
by reegsk
Hey man,
Look, we're going on three weeks now, and you haven't provided a tracking number or even told me exactly which day your roommate shipped. Even if you shipped on the 29th or 30th, the package wouldn't have been caught up in the storm, and I have received many packages from all over the country since then. Did you or your roommate actually ship? If so, what day did you/he ship on? Did you/he pay for delivery confirmation? If so, what is the confirmation number? Where are you shipping from? I'm trying to be patient, but I have no package and no proof anything was shipped. If you can give me the latter, then I can just wait for it to arrive, regardless of how long it takes. Please just give me some specific information.
Cheers,
Dan K.
Re: query
Sent: Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:39 am
by reegsk
Alright dude, if I don't hear back from you by Monday with some definitive proof that you have actually shipped your half of the deal, I'm considering this trade dead in the water. This is reinforced by the fact that you've posted a new trade thread with several items that seem to be conspicuously similar to the ones your roommate allegedly shipped to me three weeks ago. So again, if I don't hear back from you by Monday morning with a specific date, time and tracking number for this package, I'll be posting a backout thread up and considering this trade void.
Dan K.
Re: query
Sent: Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:15 am
by AnIrishGamer
Well I've got a list of five numbers I can send you, all the different stuff I shipped. The stuff you see is because I had alot of doubles, and I also took on my brothers collection to move as well. I tell you what, if it will ease your concern (and mine) I could send off, monday, with a tracking number, another order for $55.00 and then you can just send the original back whenever it shows. Would that work? I have to say I'm sorry about the slip shod way this got handled, but I was working this deal from outta town and let my buddy get involved (some of the stuff was for his mercs). So, I'll do it however you like bro.
Re: query
Sent: Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:22 am
by reegsk
Why don't you just track the packages and see where they are? Or send me the tracking numbers and I can check?
Re: query
Sent: Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:33 pm
by AnIrishGamer
Because I don't know which number is for which package. I wish I did.
Re: query
Sent: Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:11 pm
by reegsk
You can send me all five. It'll only take a minute for me to run them through the USPS website and I can see if any of them haven't arrived yet.
Re: query
Sent: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:56 pm
by reegsk
I'm still waiting on those tracking numbers.
He's read my last message, but not replied. I'll be sending a message to him to direct his attention to this thread once it's posted.
