BTR- Armada

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exigent99 ( 2 )
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BTR- Armada

Post by exigent99 »

More than two months ago now, I started negotiating with Armada for a trade. I was offering a bundle of terrain worth about $160-$180. I was looking for paintball stuff, and he offered a Tippmann 98 custom for trade. Although I was hesitant about the trade (He valued it at about $100, and still refused to pay shipping), I wanted the gun, and currently had no use for the terrain, so we went ahead with the trade. Now, two months later, and many P.M.s later, I still have not received the paintball marker, or any money to compensate, and he hasn't answered my messages for a couple weeks now. Below is the chain of messages:

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:04 pm
by Armada

(quoted from my original post) exigent99 wrote: I had this terrain up for sale or trade about a month ago, and thought I had a deal, but the guy asked me to hold it and hasn't gotten back with me, so this is now boxed and ready to ship. This terrain has never been used for gaming, only transported, stored, and set up for photography. There is some wear on some of the pieces, but they are largely in good condition.

What I want....most wanted starting at the top.
Paypal
Money Order
Paintball
Airsoft
360 games

Here's what's ready to ship.


Everything in this picture:

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And, I also have the large building, the barricades, the alien pods, and a few of the other pieces that are on the boards in this picture. I have the boards as well, but they are heavy, and you probably wouldn't want to pay for those to be shipped.

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(Armada's first message starts here.)
hey man,
i have a just like new tippman model 98 paintball gun and hopper. ive only used it once and hate looking at it collecting dust. i would love to give it a good home. lmk man

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:50 am
by exigent99
I may be interested.

What were you thinking for a trade?

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:41 am
by exigent99
Hey,

Just wondered if you were still interested in trading or not, since I hadn't heard back from you.

I'd like to take that 98 custom off your hands if you still want the terrain.

Let me know,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:43 am
by exigent99
Sorry for another message, but I was just wondering if the gun is an original model 98, or if it is a 98 custom?

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:12 pm
by Armada
hey man
i believe its costum

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:31 pm
by exigent99
Ok, that's cool.

Well, were you thinking a trade of the entire terrain package, for the gun and whatever comes with it, or what?

If possible, I'd need you to pay the shipping.

Let me know what you want to do. Btw, I noticed you don't seem to check on here much. If you want to email me, things might go faster. My address is: cratergames@gmail.com

Up to you if you want to do that or not. Normally I wouldn't mind too much, but I'm kindve wanting to get the gun in time for an event, if we can work it out.

Let me know, thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:48 pm
by Armada
hey man,
i have the gun itself and the hopper. if its a straight trade i usually dont pay shipping if we are both sending something we just both pay our shipping. as of now i looked up the gun and its worth $100 from what i found. lmk

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:51 pm
by Armada
hey man,
i usually dont pay shipping if its an even trade and we both pay our own shipping. i looked up the price on it and its worth $100. it only came with the hopper.lmk

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:52 pm
by exigent99
Can you give me an address so I can figure out shipping?

I priced this stuff before and value it at about $160, and that's after taking off some value for the small amount of wear.

Would it be possible to pay for at least some of the shipping or not?

If not, let me find out from your address how much it will be and then decide if I want to do it or not.

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:54 pm
by Armada
adress is
13866 langley pl
33325 davie fl

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:07 pm
by exigent99
I'll find out how much it cost for shipping, and then we can try to work something out.

Thanks,

Matt
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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:31 pm
by exigent99
I got a price for shipping.

It will cost $36 to ship the terrain.

You said you're gun is worth $100, right? The terrain is worth $150 at least. If necessary, I could get a second opinion on that. Just want to know if you can cover shipping, since my side of the trade is worth more.

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:26 pm
by exigent99
Hey, I'm assuming you got my last message, but you don't like my proposal.

If you really can't cover shipping for the terrain, just let me know. I have someone else who is interested in this stuff, so I need to find out either way from you so I can make a decision. As soon as possible, hopefully.

Thanks,

Matt
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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:54 pm
by Armada
hey matt, sorry i didnt answer back. i was hoping for a straight trade so if you have someone else interested, go for it man. sorry bout keeping you in the dark like that though
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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:09 pm
by exigent99
Well, let me think about it...I am still interested in your gun, I just hadn't decided if I wanted to pay the shipping cost, or if I was going to deal with the other person.

Can I think about it and get back with you in a day or two?

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:15 pm
by Armada
sure man no worries

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:22 pm
by Armada
hey man,
if you have any lotr or whfb ill be willing to trade for that too. if it helps with the shipping and stuff

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:35 pm
by exigent99
No, I don't have any lotr or WHFB figures.

I will let you know in the next day or two, I've just been thinking about it.

Thanks,

Matt
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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:06 pm
by exigent99
I guess I'll go ahead and do the trade.
Do you have a problem shipping first, since I have feedback? (I can provide feedback from another site as well, if necessary.) If you can ship it and give me a tracking number, I can ship it as soon as I get the number. Is that ok with you?

Let me know,

Matt
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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:19 pm
by Armada
Well the way I trade is lower rating ships first. so since you are lower rating, I was hoping you would *edit* 1st.

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:33 pm
by exigent99
Well, no offense, but your higher rank is from posts, but you have no feedback. I have one feedback(Not much, but better than nothing, and I can provide at least one other reference, if necessary.) Do you have any feedback on any other sites, or a ebay feedback or something that you could point me to?

If you don't have any feedback anywhere, I'd rather not ship first.

Not trying to be a pain in the butt, just being careful, you know?

Matt
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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:03 pm
by Armada
hey man, look my name up in the referance section and you can see the feedback. sometimes the numbers dont show up next to the names

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:19 pm
by exigent99
Hey,

Sorry about the confusion. No problem about me shipping first then. However, can you ship out as soon as I get you the tracking number? If that's a problem, I understand, just wondering.

This is your address, correct?
13866 Langley Pl.
Davie, Fl.
33325

Just let me know and I can ship it out, hopefully tomorrow, but Sat. at the latest.

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:45 pm
by Armada
hey man,
yes thats my adress. i can probably send out on monday if thats cool weather i have your stuff yet or not. is that cool

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:42 am
by exigent99
Yeah, that's fine. I'll get you a tracking number either today or tomorrow.

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:28 pm
by exigent99
I sent the stuff today, will send you the tracking number later when I have it in front of me.

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:20 pm
by exigent99
Here's the tracking numbers:

1st box: 0310 0480 0003 5177 6094

2nd box: 0310 0480 0003 5177 6100

If you could get a tracking number for me, that would be great, but not absolutely necessary.
Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:38 pm
by Armada
hey man,
i was going to send today, have it packed and everything, and i realized...... i dont have your adress lol. send it to me and ill send out the gun. thanks again man

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:38 am
by exigent99
Ha, sorry about that. I thought I already gave you my address, but maybe not.

Here you go:

Matthew Stouffer
750 South Blvd.
Rochester Hills, MI.
48307

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:22 pm
by exigent99
Just wondering if you got it sent out yet or not.

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:22 pm
by Armada
yes sir i dont have the dc around right now, but i sent out thursday. lmk when you get it and we can leave each other some good feedback. thanks for the trade man

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:45 pm
by exigent99
I'll let you know when I get it, and we can trade feedback. Did you get the terrain, and was it ok?

Thanks,
Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:33 pm
by Armada
hey man,
yes sir, all is good. well done by the way, looks great. thanks again and let me know when you get the gun

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:23 am
by exigent99
Just wondered if you got a tracking number or not.....wanted to check on it if you had, because I would have expected it by now.

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:03 pm
by Armada
hey man,
thats strange...... ill give the post office a call. sory about the delay

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:47 am
by exigent99
Let me know what you find out please.

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:35 pm
by Armada
hey man,
called today and they told me to call tomorrow to talk to the post driver himself. thanks for stickin with me man. ill keep in touch

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:40 pm
by exigent99
Thanks, I appreciate you checking it out. I was hoping to put some accessories. on the gun and take it out to use in about a week, so it would be great if it could be cleared up...the sooner the better. I understand it's out of your hands as far as time though.

Keep me informed as you find out, thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:45 pm
by Armada
no worries man,
i had a trade not show up before and it felt pretty bad and frustrading, ill try and get it to you man. sorry again for the delay. and thanks for still being cool about this


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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:00 am
by exigent99
Any progress?

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:20 pm
by Armada
yes sir
good news. the post office kept it because it somehow was opened and they thought it was a real gun lol. they have the gun there so i can send again on tuesday when i can go get it and repack it. they are going to cover the shipping cost since it was their mistake. so all is good, the gun is coming to you my friend. thanks for being so understanding.

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Sat Oct 16, 2010 7:48 pm
by exigent99
Whew, thanks for the good news. I was honestly pretty sure it was a goner, so that's great to hear.

Let me know when you get it off again.

Thanks for working through this,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:28 am
by exigent99
Just wondered if you got it repackaged and sent off yet.

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:42 pm
by Armada
yes sir i sent yesterday. lmk when you get my friend

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:35 am
by exigent99
Hey man, I hate to bug you again, but it still hasn't arrived....been more than a week now since you sent it. Any chance your post office held it again?

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:21 pm
by Armada
hey man,
no problem. ok ill check again. sorry about this

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:10 pm
by exigent99
i suppose it's possible that my post office could be holding it as well? If you come up with nothing, I'll try checking with them.

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:38 am
by exigent99
Just wondered if you checked on it again. I need to know if I should be contacting my post office and seeing if they kept it or something.

Let me know man, as I'm sure you know, it's kindve frustrating.

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:44 pm
by Armada
Hey my post office has nothing so id check your office.lmk man

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:39 pm
by exigent99
Hey, I'm trying to look it up at the post office, could I have your full name please?

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:04 pm
by exigent99
Hey,

So, the people at the post office said they don't have anything, and that there was no reason that it should have been kept at your post office in the first place. They don't x-ray stuff, so unless you told them that there was a gun in there, the person I talked to said that they wouldn't have opened and kept it.

I'd like to believe that you're not just making all of this up, but at this point, I don't have a whole lot to go on.

So, here's where we can go from here. If you have some way of pursuing this further, and tracking down the package (assuming that you did actually send it), then I need you to do that.

If you can't find it, send it, and get me a tracking number, then I'm going to need you to compensate me for the loss I'm taking.

I payed $39 dollars for shipping, and I sent you a terrain package that was worth approximately $160. On top of that, you were supposedly going to trade something that was only worth about $100, and make me pay shipping.

I need this to be fixed, because I can't afford to lose that much money, or product.

If this is not taken care of in a timely manner, I'm going to have to report you to the postal service, and here on Bartertown.

Sorry dude, but I've given you a lot of time, a second chance, and I've been really patient up till now.

Please let me know as soon as you can, what you're going to do to fix this.

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:07 pm
by Armada
hey man,
its no worries i totally understand. the reason they kept it was because the box was broken and they said you can tell there was a gun. ill tell you what i understand where you are coming from so ill give it one last try to locate the gun, if i cannot we can start to work something out to get this problem fixed. i do thanks you for being patient with me and i hope we can get this resolved


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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:35 pm
by exigent99
Hey,

Thanks for replying instead of just ignoring, it's encouraging that you are still communicating.

I hope you understand. While I can certainly understand that it stinks from your viewpoint, (if you did send it, then you are stuck trying to fix this problem that you didn't create), I'm sure you can see my viewpoint as well, which is that until I get some solid compensation (gun or money), I have no way of knowing for sure whether you are telling the truth or just delaying.

So, just to make it smooth for both of us, if you can try to take care of it in a timely manner, I'd appreciate it.

Again, thanks for still communicating, and hopefully we can work this out. Let me know what you come up with.

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:43 pm
by Armada
hey matt,
i do understand where you are coming from and would be doing the same thing. it does suck from my side cuz i did send the gun and its frustrating trying to solve a problem that should not have happened to begin with, but i was a bit careless and its my fault cuz i lost the reciept. well i guess lesson learned. but hey thats life i guss, so ill check one last time on friday cuz i work tomorrow and i hope we can get this delt with. thanks again

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:51 pm
by Armada
hello matt,
i went to the post office today and they said that its possable that the priority sticker might have been scratched or something that would make it hard to read it. he seemed very optimistic and said that it happens all the time and would look for it and get back to me on monday as being me, lol i walked just before closing. so im pretty hopeful that it will showup and this will get taken care of. i thank you again for your understanding and patieance my friend

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:01 pm
by exigent99
I'll wait to hear from you, but please let me know as soon as you find out.

If you do get the chance to send it again, please get a tracking number this time.

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:04 pm
by Armada
you bet man, not making the same mistakes twice..... or thrice lol

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:39 pm
by exigent99
Hey, so did you find out anything?

You said you were going to follow up on Mon., and that was two days ago, so I'm wondering what's up.

Let me know,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:34 pm
by Armada
hey matt,
yes i have the gun again and just finished packing it tighter than fort knox. sorry bout worrying you, work has been really tough and havent had time to come on and inform you

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:33 pm
by exigent99
Ok, great, just make sure that you send it as soon as you can, and that you get a tracking number for it, and let me know what it is.

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: WTS/WTT:Large lot of terrain, scifi,fantasy,hills,hedges,etc

Sent: Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:35 pm
by exigent99
Hey man, I need you to get a tracking number pretty soon so I can confirm that you've shipped it. If you can't do that within about a week, I'm going to have to assume you haven't been on the up and up about all this. It's been awhile since you said you had it repacked.....

Matt

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Deadline

Sent: Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:40 am
From: exigent99
To: Armada
Hey man,

I don't know where to go from here, without proceeding with the process for a bad trader report.

I took your word for it that you got the gun back and repackaged it, but that's been at least a week or two by now, and you still haven't sent a tracking number to confirm that you sent it.

You've also ignored my last 1 or 2 messages, when I know for a fact that you've been on the site at least twice in the last few days.

What can I say? I'm fed up with delays. If I don't have a tracking number, or a sum of money that we have agreed on, in my paypal account by next Fri., I'm going to start the bad trader report process. I'm also going to see what I can do to report your address to the post office for scam.

You can still fix this, but you better be quick, I've waited long enough, and I don't plan to let you get away with approx. $160 worth of terrain with no consequences.

Matt

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I have a phone number, that I have called twice (left a message once, saying I needed to speak to the individual who appears to be the owner of the house). I never received a call back. I plan to try again, but I'm not real optimistic. After I finish this report, I'm going to leave a negative feedback on him. For proof of my end of the deal, I can provide two tracking numbers. I still have the tracking slips, and the actual numbers can be found in the P.M. chain above. If necessary, I can copy them down here.

If I don't get anywhere with the phone number, I guess I'll have to look into some legal proceedings, but if it's going to cost me money, I won't be able to afford it.
MagickalMemories ( 832 )
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Re: BTR- Armada

Post by MagickalMemories »

Ex, please continue calling.
IMO, you should call daily.

As we discussed, it looks like Adolfo & Xiomara are the parents (45-49 & 40-44 age ranges, respectively), with Thelma & Zamir as the kids (both in the 18-24 age range).

Keep calling.
Never be mean but, if it comes down to it, leave a specific message as to why you are calling on the answering machine. If mom & dad hear it, their ears might just perk up!


Eric
Lower rating? You ship first.

Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.


I think what this situation needs is some imagination.

"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell

Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
exigent99 ( 2 )
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Re: BTR- Armada

Post by exigent99 »

I will continue to call. I was hesitant to leave really specific message in case it would be ignored precisely for that reason. If I have to though, I will get specific.

What I'm wondering is if there's anything I can do "officially" through the post office or the authorities, that won't end up with me having to put out money for court or something. I'd like to know that if I need to, I can say that I'll be contacting some authority.
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Re: BTR- Armada

Post by MagickalMemories »

Copied from my post in the Jay Vera thread.
Names/specifics changed accordingly:
"Hi, Mr. Picado. My name is (insert name here). I'm sorry to bother you. I'm calling about Zamir, though.
I spend time on an internet site called "Bartertown," where we exchange models and books for various game systems. Recently, I arranged an exchange with Zamir. He [BRIEFLY detail what happened]. I sent my portion and confirmed with both Zamir & the Post Office that he received it. He has never sent what we agreed on, though.
I'm calling you in hopes that you can help me by getting in touch with Zamir and having him send out what he owes me. Could you help me?"

Give him time to digest it, ask questions, etc.
Be prepared to offer information and answer questions.

At some point, VERY VERY DIPLOMATICALLY, bring up the subject of legal proceedings and police involvement. Something along the lines of "I've been advised that I should contact law enforcement, file charges and begin legal proceedings, but I'd really prefer to work it out without causing anyone to have an arrest record, if possible. It doesn't seem to me to be worth it to cause someone to have legal problems over a few models, if something can be worked out otherwise."
---It's not a lie, either... because I *DO* suggest that you contact the USPS, FBI, the court ystem and his local PD---

If, as I suspect, Brandon is his dad, uncle, older brother, etc., he'll probably take an EXTREME INTEREST in getting this resolved.

I have had quite a number of Bad Trader Reports that I've looked up, called the houses in this manner, and gotten resolved. You'd be surprised what could happen.
When this happened to me, I spoke with one of my gaming buddues, who's a successful lawyer.

1) Contact his local PD. File a police report. They may tell you to file with your local PD. Tell them your PD won't do anything until you have a report from THEM.*
*This is not a lie. Your local PD WILL tell you that, as areas like this are still very murky. It happens all the time.
2) Contact & file with your local PD. Ask to speak with the department that handles internet crimes. They'll be more knowledgeable on the subject. This might also be a good idea for #1, above.
3) File in small claims court.
4) SHOW UP for your court date.
5) When he does not show up, you will win by default.
6) --I'm not exactly sure on the specifics of doing this-- If, once you win the case, you forward the appropriate documents to his local sherrif, they can confiscate property up to the value of your decision.

Regarding the above... I am not a lawyer and I am especially not YOUR lawyer.
While the above is what I would do, you should speak with a lawyer before taking anything above as gospel. : )

Eric

Eric
Lower rating? You ship first.

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To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.


I think what this situation needs is some imagination.

"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell

Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
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Re: BTR- Armada

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Ok, thanks for the advice. I'll keep calling, and if I don't get anywhere, I'll see what I can do with the PD. I'll post up here with any updates.
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Re: BTR- Armada

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I don't know if it's going to be of any help, but I read this and saw the address and I just won something on ebay from a coopercitycomics that is in Davie, FL and not too far from "Armada"'s address (less than 10 miles). Not sure if they would have any helpful info.

According to google their phone # is (954) 434-4822
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Re: BTR- Armada

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Hey, thanks for that, I'll take the number down in case I need it.


In regards to what's going on....I haven't been calling, but now that we're mostly past the holiday busy-ness, I'm going to give him a few calls. I have also had another Bartertown member inform me that Armada ripped him off as well. I told him we could work together if it came to anything legal or reporting to the authorities. I have yet to receive confirmation that he was in fact dealing with Armada, but I recommended that he contact Magickal Memories and let him know what happened. He should also post a BTR if his case meets the necessary requirements.
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Re: BTR- Armada

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Contacting me won't do any good.
I'll only tell him what I'm about to say next:

If someone's ripped you off, file a BTR.


Eric
Lower rating? You ship first.

Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.


I think what this situation needs is some imagination.

"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell

Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
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Re: BTR- Armada

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Just had another member contact me and it appears that he was beat out of $35 in payment for figures.....Armada never delivered.

The plot thickens.... :-? ......at least if/when I contact authorities, having three people complaining might get some results.
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Re: BTR- Armada

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exigent99 wrote:Just had another member contact me and it appears that he was beat out of $35 in payment for figures.....Armada never delivered.

The plot thickens.... :-? ......at least if/when I contact authorities, having three people complaining might get some results.
Keep in mind that anonymous hearsay has no bearing in a BTR.
The individual needs to post his/her own BTR.


Eric
Lower rating? You ship first.

Give me a sense of humor Lord. Give me the grace to see a joke.
To get some humor out of life and pass it on to other folk.


I think what this situation needs is some imagination.

"...I'm a nerd, and I'm here tonight to stand up for the rights of other nerds.” – Gilbert Lowell

Want my help with a BTR or backout? All messages sent/posted should be in CHRONOLOGICAL order. Otherwise, I just won't read it.
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Re: BTR- Armada

Post by exigent99 »

MagickalMemories wrote:
exigent99 wrote:Just had another member contact me and it appears that he was beat out of $35 in payment for figures.....Armada never delivered.

The plot thickens.... :-? ......at least if/when I contact authorities, having three people complaining might get some results.
Keep in mind that anonymous hearsay has no bearing in a BTR.
The individual needs to post his/her own BTR.


Eric

I realize that, I just wanted to put it here as it's relevant to the conversation. Thanks for the heads up though.
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Re: BTR- Armada

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exigent99 wrote:Hey, thanks for that, I'll take the number down in case I need it.


In regards to what's going on....I haven't been calling, but now that we're mostly past the holiday busy-ness, I'm going to give him a few calls. I have also had another Bartertown member inform me that Armada ripped him off as well. I told him we could work together if it came to anything legal or reporting to the authorities. I have yet to receive confirmation that he was in fact dealing with Armada, but I recommended that he contact Magickal Memories and let him know what happened. He should also post a BTR if his case meets the necessary requirements.
This is me.

I have posted a bad trade report as of now
viewtopic.php?f=103&t=128053
Hopefully this can be resolved for all of us
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Re: BTR- Armada

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What ever happened with this?
Rules
1. I do my best to communicate & ship in a timely matter & expect the same
2. If you or I back out of a trade expect the other to post so in the b/o forum etc, if thats not okay then I am not your man to trade with
3. An offer of "$25" for an item does not include s&h if you are not okay with actual shipping charges from the USPS on top of that then say "$25 incl s&h".. simple enough..
4. Please be polite, leave feedback
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